Talk:Hedwig glass

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Lierke's theory could do with more coverage. How many are at Minden, and are these the ones supposed to have been Hedwig's? Johnbod (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I think there's some confusion over numbers of the complete glasses. Ettinghausen and Grabar only suggest one for Minden (not sure where you got the figure of two from?); I got one at Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuremberg, from [1] but now I start looking more thoroughly I can't find it anywhere else; Erdmann says there are two at Namur and other sources corroborate that. Annoyingly, I don't have access to Jstor so can't check the rest of the articles cited to see if they elaborate. Also, for the fragments - where there is more than one fragment, it's not made explicit what the minimum number of glasses represented by those fragments is, as far as I can see. 10 fragments doesn't necessarily = 10 different glasses. 81.147.148.65 (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

See the first 3 here (see below); sadly none of us have JSTOR it seems. Thanks for your additions, but please "bundle" the links with a title of something, rather than leave them "bare", like http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbo=p&rlz=1B3GGLL_en-GBGB368GB368&tbs=bks%3A1&q=Nuremburg+%22Hedwig+glasses%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= this - which will confirm the Nuremburg one. Ideally articles consulted go down into "References", then you just need "Author, pp. 46-48" in the note. Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry. I always seem to leave a mess with my referencing ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.148.65 (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll sort it tomorrow, don't have time now. 81.147.148.65 (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem, and you seem to be right about Minden - not sure where I picked that up from now - I'll remove it. but that leaves us with only 12/14 located, yes? Johnbod (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, only 12 so far. This (albeit 2005) [2] says 13 complete beakers (review near bottom of page); the 2009 Wedepohl and Kronz article states 14 so I wonder where the 14th came from between 2005 and 2009. Or if 13 is simply a typo? Or 14, for that matter?

It would be great if we could get someone at the BM to photograph their example, and if we could eventually illustrate all the complete examples in a sort of 'compare and contratst' exercise. 81.147.148.65 (talk) 08:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

They won't do that, but anyone else can in most of the galleries. There may yet be a photo in Commons, but not with "Hedwig" in the file data. Johnbod (talk) 08:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Photo

This article REALLY needs an illustration or two. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 00:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you; we knew that. Have you got one? Johnbod (talk) 00:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Original Glassmakers of Lorraine geneology tracks through Palestine, Israel, Spain, France

Two different types of glass came from their different methods of creating glass from the locations the glassmakers made them from. Originally an art from tribes with the secrets carried from internal marriages for the survival of these travellers. The is traceable history of the glassmakers by the rivers, in the forrests, wanderers through to the noblemen and kings and queens of france, nobleman of italy and jerusalem. Family immediate and last names are passed on through out the generations with only slight difference3s to the spelling or meanings of the names to create safety but a cleverly traced history. They often labelled themselves the religion of the country they sought to establish a family name in and so have jewish, musilim, christian traits in their lifestyles and secret family codes but often documented themselves as "non church goers" or ran their own labels in the religion to play the part but hide the family members. 1.159.193.137 (talk) 10:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

None of this is reflected in the scholarship on this specific small group. Johnbod (talk) 12:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)