Talk:GameCube accessories

Progressive Scan

wasnt progressive scanning a separate accesory? i thought it was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.100.223 (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't make any sense. Progressive scan is a type of video output, not an accessory. I think what you're thinking of is the component and d-terminal cables, which are already listed, and mention the output of progressive scan. Alphathon^TM (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

D-terminal cable

And even with a jap amp with D4 inputs, there will be no numeric sound, won't there ?

Because it's very surprising, the cable has an audio part in it, why doesn't it output audio natively ? Why do we have to pass through the analog output of the game cube ?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.88.157.176 (talk) 20:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

The GameCube is only capable of 480p output, so presumably it's only using D2 specs. I am not all that knowledgeable about either D-Terminal or the GC D-Terminal cable itself, but that would seem to be the reason. I'm not even sure D-Terminal is capable of audio out - the Wikipedia page for D-Terminal doesn't mention any specs for audio and the Japanese page states (translated using Google): "Since only terminal for the transmission of video signals, voice transmission is made. If you pass this audio signals between devices, further別線sound ( RCA jacks , etc.) need to be connected." Perhaps audio output is a proprietary.

As to why it doesn't have a S/PDIF-out, you'd have to ask Nintendo.

P.S. I assume by numeric sound you mean digital sound, such as S/PDIF.

Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 20:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I meant that by "numeric sound"... "forgive my French" :-)

Yes, there is audio in the D-terminal cable, see your link of gamesx which has been updated :

http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:nintendodigitalav

If I read the schematics correctly, we can add chips from the inside of the game cube to make a cable extension with toslink. There are pictures of the modding of the cable, and it's not very easy to do...

Furthermore, you're right concerning the 480p resolution devoted to D2 and maybe it was not possible to pass audio through with those inputs at the time, or as you suggest with the google translation, it has never been in question for manufacturers of D-terminal cables. But what about dvd players in Japan, was it the same, was this D-terminal cable just able to transfer the data for the video and not for the audio ??? How was it so useful then ? It's not very understandable that such a cable which is numeric cannot let audio pass... Have you got some info about this weird fact, the fact that if Japanes people wanted to have sound into buying a D-terminal cable, they had to have RCA for sound on the same cable ? It's beyond logic... Back to the game cube, it has a digital port, it was able to do stereoscopic 3D via this digital port, my question is : did Nintendo prevail Game Cube from a full-numeric cable because the system had everything to do it ? Whi was there a conversion from numeric to analog with the matronix chip inside the d-terminal game cube ? Because the D-terminal cable can let analog or numeric data pass through. Maybe not for D2 we may say... OOOh I'm lost

Nevertheless the question still remains for the video game systems nowadays, given that D-terminal cables have been launched for 360 and PS3 (is it the same version as the one launched for PS2 ?), HDMI is the best now, so maybe very few people bought it for their systems... And we've got the same problem for the Wii. But given that there are RCA on each of these cables, yes, we may think undoubtedly that there is no audio through the Wii, 360, PS2 and PS3 D-terminal cables, but only RCA on the cable by itself. I have really been questioned all this time about the D-terminal for Game Cube. There is the possibility to output audio via this cable without any modding, shouldn't it work ? The only D-terminal TV panels I had known are one Sony panel, and some Epson projectors with D4 included (Epson TW600, TW620, TW700, TW800 to 980 in my knowledge), video didn't appear on it, no video signal detected. Maybe I manipulated it wrong because it was a friend of mine's projector. I'm going to do some other tests soon to check if on a D4 output of the projector, the game cube works in ntsc with progressive games of course. There was no sound on the sony panel, and projectors, bad luck, have no speakers included, generally speaking, then the only way to be sure that there is no audio passing through this cable natively without any modding is via a jaapanese amplificator with D4 inputs.

Because if I buy a jap amp just for the fun to check if it does work on D4 inputsn or not (90 % doesn't seem to work), great, I would have paid the amp plus the shipping fees for nothing...

Thank you. If you can confirm some info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.88.157.176 (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

From what I understand D-Terminal is just an alternative connector for component video (YP_BP_R) and doesn't carry audio (at least not as standard). There are no pins in a standard D-Terminal connector for audio. In that respect it isn't dissimilar from VGA - it's a single cable for carrying video signals and doesn't have audio capabilities. In this sense it is simply an alternative to using 3 RCA connectors for component.

That's not to say that the GameCube doesn't have digital audio capabilities, and I am well aware that there's I²C audio passed out from the digital AV connector, but neither the D-Terminal cable or the component cable (which are essentially the same other than the connector on the end) have audio connectors or the circuitry required to use the audio. D-Terminal isn't like SCART or HDMI that carry both audio and video - it is a video connector. If you want digital audio from the GC then you have to mod it, and the output pretty much needs to be either a TOSLINK or coax (single RCA for passing S/PDIF). You will never get audio out of the GC D-Terminal cable as-is just like you will never be able to fly a Ford Fiesta or get video out of a guitar amp.

Also, please bear in mind that this is not a forum - it is for discussing changes/problems with the article, not its contents.

Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 19:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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