Talk:Eyre Peninsula Railway

Proposal to split

Am proposing to make some changes around this page, and some associated ones.

the title is currently misleading - as there were several independent railways on the EP - the Port Lincoln Division of the SAR (Also ANRC Central, Eyre Peninsula Lines), the BHP Proper Bay- Coffin Bay Tramway, the WHyalla Tramway, the Commonwealth Railways/ANRC/ARTC Port Augusta to Whyalla Line, and several other short railways for local purposes.

therefore - I would suggest that this page become "Eyre Peninsula Railways/Tramways" and link off to other pages with titles consistent as above.

Please post your thoughts and ideas here

Sulzer55 (talk) 10:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

As it stands, this article is only about the ex-SAR railways. The others you list are covered to greater or lesser degrees in

• Coffin Bay
• Iron Knob
• Whyalla railway line

The first two could certainly benefit from expansion, possibly into separate articles. They should also all be covered in Rail transport in South Australia. --Scott Davis ^Talk 05:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to make the article title plural

As Sulzer55 observed, the title is misleading, as there were several independent railways on the EP. He added, "I would suggest that this page become 'Eyre Peninsula Railways/Tramways'."

I think the article title should be "Eyre Peninsula Railways", i.e. the plural of the present title, reflecting the content of the article.

I'm familiar with the significance of the term "tramway" in mining contexts, and I believe the article should mention the term in a historical context. However, the term isn't used by the present owners and would only complicate the title for non-specialised readers; it only needs to be covered in the body of the article.

I'm doing some research to update the article and it looks logical to structure the content under headings of "Lines in the north-east" (i.e., the GFG Alliance lines and ARTC Port Augusta to Whyalla); and "Lines in the west and south", i.e. GWA's gypsum and grain hauling. As a start, to fill in a couple of evenings I've researched and prepared a map showing the current situation and tracked down an SAR map of 1953; both are now uploaded from Wikimedia. This will be easier to follow, I believe, than the schematic.

Comments welcome! SCHolar44 (talk) 17:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I dropped the ball on this. Moved today. With the abandonment of almost all narrow-gauge track this year, it is even less justified to use the singular. SCHolar44 (talk) 03:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Oppose, this article is about the former SAR and latterly GWA narrow gauge railway. The other lines have their own stand alone articles, namely Coffin Bay Tramway, Whyalla Steelworks and Whyalla railway line. Kesseusoo (talk) 08:09, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Could you please tell me the title of the article that covers the Whyalla–Middleback Range line, Kesseusoo? Thanks. SCHolar44 (talk) 08:19, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@SCHolar44: Is it possible to create an article about the Whyalla–Middleback Range line? Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree that this article should remain only about the former SAR Eyre Peninsula network. There does not appear to be an article that provides good coverage of the private railways from the Middleback Ranges in to Whyalla. The best coverage at present appears to be the overview in Whyalla Steelworks#Railways. While it's not much, it's more coverage than that railway currently has in this article. Other railways on Eyre Peninsula are in Coffin Bay Tramway, Whyalla railway line (also needs expanding) and Iron Road Limited (where the rail component seems to have lapsed). --Scott Davis ^Talk 04:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

About to upload major upgrade, including cessation of wheat haulage

Just to let people know: I had literally finished an upgrade of the present article that encompassed all the lines on the peninsula when the cessation of wheat haulage was forecast. I held off until the somewhat delayed consultant report came out and announcements had been made -- hope springs eternal! I thought I might only have to put things in the past tense (OK, I exaggerate a little) but in fact it has led to quite profound changes in content and structure of my draft. The article will be finished in the next couple of weeks. I’m hoping to publish on 1st June, with a slight feeling of irony.

Please contact me if my intention conflicts with any plans of yours. Cheers, SCHolar44 (talk) 02:36, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Not much longer. Life has intervened... SCHolar44 (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

No objection from me. I wonder what will happen to the lines themselves, since I understood that locomotives from Thevenard are serviced in Port Lincoln. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I'll ask some of my contacts, Scott. SCHolar44 (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

One Rail Australia

@101.178.163.241:

I refer to your reversion of my recent edit and your edit summary (i.e. "citation is provided about rebranding of Genesee & Wyoming Australia to One Rail Australia on the GWA article") I disagree with your action for the following reason. The requirement that the reader has to go to another article to find a citation (i.e. Reference no. 28) for a name change is very unreasonable. Also, if the name change is of any importance, should not Genesee & Wyoming Australia be immediately renamed and all of the relevant links be upgraded?

Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 06:56, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

So you are suggesting that every article that states 'Genesee & Wyoming Australia is the operator' or something similar is going to need a cite when the operator is updated to One Rail Australia? I would have thought as long as the change is cited on the GWA article there is no need and the operator merely updated on those article where necessary.

If what you are suggesting were the case, then many South Australian railway articles would have a cite for when Australian Southern Railroad was rebranded GWA in 2006, yet I see no sign that this having happened on this or any other SA railway line article, only on the GWA article. 101.178.163.241 (talk) 07:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Article should be renamed when the name change occurs, as the website hasn't yet been updated, probably hasn't yet occurred. Maybe my edits were a bit a bit ahead of the curve ball, but long term they will be correct. If you want to revert them and then go through the process of reverting again down the track, your call. 101.178.163.241 (talk) 07:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

sorry to but in, but I doubt that this is a legitimate re-branding, something smells, there is nothing in Trove or a very quick check of the internet to suggest the rebranding either happened or is current. Please provide other references, otherwise this will end up as a revert session due to either WP:OR or something similar. There would have to be something substantial to explain why the wikipedia entries are the source of the info and there is nothing else on the internet to support or back up the claim. JarrahTree 07:29, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

JarrahTree - it appears to have just been announced in the last week following a takeover/still be in the process of happening, so no surprises it's not in Trove. Sourcing is not ideal, but there's no rush and we can wait for more authoritative sources before including it. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah so I misread the date stamps and details, my problem... oops! JarrahTree 04:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Why would anything appear on Trove, that has articles on which copyright has expired, this happened within the last month?

• International Railway Journal states ...Genesee & Wyoming Australia (GWA) will be renamed One Rail Australia...
• Rail Express states ...Genesee & Wyoming Australia, the freight rail operator is now known as One Rail Australia.
• The company's details with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission have also been changed from Genesee & Wyoming Australia Pty Ltd to One Rail Australia Pty Ltd.

So that's three sources. The actual implementation date is at this stage unknown, but clearly is is happening. 101.178.163.241 (talk) 02:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Eyre Peninsula Railway

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Eyre Peninsula Railway's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "merger":

• From One Rail Australia: "Aurizon Holdings Ltd - One Rail Australia Holdings LP". Australian Competition & Consumer Commission. 14 July 2022. Retrieved 1 August 2022.
• From Aurizon: "Aurizon Holdings Ltd - One Rail Australia Holdings". Australian Competition & Consumer Commission. 14 July 2022. Retrieved 1 August 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:22, 16 October 2022 (UTC)