Talk:Esh, County Durham

Discussion on copyrighted material (copied from User talk:Yunshui)

I appreciate your concern over the copy right legislation and I apologise if I conflicted with this! Is it possible to get the work iv done put back up there so as to be able to rephrase the copied sections? As need to get this page completed by tomorrow and have been working hard on it! To say the least, further, there is only a limited amount copied from the pages other than the most recently added sections. Would greatly appreciate your cooperation. Thanks Josh — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaEBarker (talk • contribs) 19:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Josh. Thanks for being open to discussing this. Unfortunately, we can't host copyrighted content, even for a short time. To be on the safe side, I reverted all of your edits (since all the ones I looked at were copyvios, it seemed best to err on the side of caution and excise the lot). However, if some of the content you added was not copied from the sources, it would be okay to add that back in. The correct process would be to add it back by making further edits, however if your assignment is due tomorrow I suggest doing the following:

1. Revert my edit to the page - go to the page history (the View history tab at the top) and find my edit, then click the "Undo" button next to it.
2. In the edit window that appears, go through and remove or substantially rephrase all the text which you know to be copied from other sites.
3. Save the page. You should be able to do this in one edit (use the Preview button at the bottom of the editing window to see how your changes will look before saving.

Problem hopefully solved. Incidentally, can you tell your professor to use the Wikimedia Education Program next time he wants to do something like this? His failure to prepare you properly for editing Wikipedia has caused you and many of your fellow students undue stress and has increased the likelihood of your failing the module (due to editors like myself correcting your edits). We have a number of outreach programmes in place for universities, and we're happy to assist, but we need to be contacted first. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll make sure none of these issues reoccur as I go through it now but please make comments if theres any problems as i put up the sections that looked copied! Thanks again and ill have a chat to my tutor. Josh — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaEBarker (talk • contribs) 20:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! Realise you deleted one of the pictures i uploaded too... how do you put pictures from a public domain up without breaching copy right?? And so that it actually appears on the wiki page?! Bit casual harassment but guessed you'd know as an editor! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaEBarker (talk • contribs) 21:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

(If I may butt in here) – the image deletion wasn't done by Yunshui; that was me. (Oh noes, that guy again; I know.) The answer to your question is: you don't upload it, because it isn't actually in the public domain. You took that image from [1], which not only doesn't say it's public domain; it actually explicitly says "© T. Chilton". Taking that photograph and claiming it was your own was not cool. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Not sure if I should comment here or at User talk:JoshuaEBarker, but since the discussion seems to take place here, I'm commenting here. The pictures were deleted by a different user, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, because they had been identified as copyright violations. If a photo is in the public domain, there is no copyright to violate. However, you need to confirm that the photos indeed are in the public domain. In the UK, this normally requires that the photographer died at least 70 years ago. Wikipedia cares more about US copyrights, though. British photos are in the public domain in the United States if they were published somewhere before 1923 and are almost always copyrighted in the United States if they haven't been published before 1923. Photos on the Internet are usually recent photos, so they are copyrighted and can almost never be uploaded here.

I deleted a section from the article you are editing because the section appears to have been copied from an external website, but I see that you reinstated the text. Please don't do that; Wikipedia only accepts free content. I am aware that you added a few words here and there, but the text still looks too similar to the original. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Wait a second, you deleted even the intro sentence, which was there well before Joshua edited the page? And as you were pointing to [2], that page appears to consist mostly of old public domain stuff – it may be quite outdated, but there's probably no copyright issue there. Am I missing something? (But we should probably move this away from poor Yunshui's page ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Oops! I didn't see the 1894 year on that page. My fault. I checked that the majority of the text wasn't in Special:PermanentLink/490346287 which is what the article looked like after Yunshui's reversal and that the version in the article was formulated quite differently.

I agree: we should probably move this to the article talk page. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Preceding text moved from User talk:Yunshui, see history of that page for attribution.

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