Talk:Edirne

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Byzantine Adrianople

The city was in Byzantine or Roman hands for probably a millennia, yet there's not even a mention of it aside from Hadrian establishing it. Something is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.64.182 (talk) 21:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Historical Population Conflict

In the history section, the information in the chart is directly contradicting the information in the graph right below it. This isn't a minor issue about what the exact values are: they contradict each other in whether the city was at its height in the 1700s or now. 16:10, 07 December 2014 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.18.137 (talk)

Ecclesiastical history

I've added an {{update}} tag to this section. The section is based on the Catholic Encyclopedia published in 1913 and needs both cleanup (e.g. the fixing of geographical names) and updated information. When the section says "today" that was almost 100 years ago. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 20:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, most of this section seemed pretty irrelevant to me given that today the city is probably 99% Sunni Turkish! Very unclear to me when they were even talking about. Way too detailed in comparison, for example, with very weak list of city sights. I'd suggest deleting most of it - always reads oddly to me to have long, detailed sections on past Christianity in what is a solidly Muslim environment...? Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 20:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

(re)founder?

What does that mean?? --AW 20:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Content

Some of this article reads like a tourist brochure. Besides this, it seems to fall very short on information/detail, considering the cultural/historical importance of the city. Pob1984 (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Etimology: Serbian - Jedrene and bulgarian - Odrin (probably) names for Edirne are correct, but macedonian is Edrene (not Odrin) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.142.138.79 (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Alternative names

You can follow Talk:Lesbos#Turkish alternative name. Takabeg (talk) 06:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Inappropriate Positioning of the Mosque in this Article. Stereotype confirmed.

I am not surprised that you put a picture of a mosque in high prominence regarding this location. Turkey is supposed to be a secular nation, so I find it highly inappropriate and somewhat stereotypical of most internet sites convering anything in Asia-Minor or the middle east for that matter. The equivalent would be like putting a picture of St. Paul's Cathedral in prominence on a website dedicated to the city London. This is highly objectionable and should be adjusted, and injects religion into an otherwise secular issue. Are you trying to stake a claim as this being part of Islam? Should we in the Western World put Christian religious institutions at the top of all of our web pages too? How ridiculous this site is in such a modern age to promote Islam. I thought we were supposed to be living in enlightened times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.199.157 (talk) 04:44, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

The Selimiye Mosque is best known site of Edirne, the masterpiece of Mimar Sinan and (I think) a world heritage site so perfectly appropriate for it to be prominent, I'd have thought. Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 20:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

York article has a picture of York Minster in prominence. BedriIST (talk) 20:42, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Old name

Why indicate old name of the city in the opening sentence or opening paragraph? I see in other cities older names are given in Etymology or History sections. Filanca (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The historical significance of Edirne under its historical name of Adrianople is enormous. Furthermore, this was the most common name of the city in English until about 1930. There is a massive corpus of history books in existence that speak of this city (calling it Adrianople) and the many things that happened in and around it historically. Simply for this reason, it has value to state that Edirne and Adrianople are one and the same. 2606:A000:89C6:9300:94F1:4103:5FE:CC27 (talk) 00:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Kakava

A paragraph on the Roma celebration of Kakava in Edirne has ben deleted from the "Culture" section of this article. The edit summary says Kakava is not Edirne tradition. Edirne is Turkish city. This is the deleted text:

Another international festival in Edirne is Kakava, a celebration of Roma people held on May 5 each year.

It seems clear from the Kakava page on Wikipedia that the Kakava festival is a cultural event and that it takes place in Edirne. So presumably the implication of the removal of the text is the idea that the "Culture" section refers to Turkish traditions in Edirne, rather than all cultural events in the city. If we are to use this narrower definition, we should (1) rename the section "Turkish Culture", and (2) remove the paragraph on the cultural partnership with Lörrach in Germany, as it is not specifically about Turkish culture. I would have thought that this is an overly narrow definition, and would propose instead including all the cultural content within the city. Hence I propose restoring the deleted text. Please comment so that consensus can be reached.

Polly Tunnel (talk) 11:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Update – an unregistered user has deleted the text in question, commenting in the edit summary: Kakava is not international festival or Edirne's tratidion. Kakava celebrite among the gypsies across the Turkey. The comments about Kakava not being an "international festival" and being celebrated "across Turkey" do not seem relevant. For something in Edirne to be cultural it is not necessary for it to be international (the handmade brooms with mirrors are not international). Nor do cultural events in Edirne have to be restricted to Edirne alone (oil wrestling matches are held all over Turkey). The fact that Kakava is celebrated in Edirne by Romani people rather than Turkish people is not an impediment to its being a cultural event in Edirne. The argument that it is not "Edirne's tratidion" does not seem relevant, since cultural events in Erdine do not necessarily have to be traditional. Hence I cannot see any justification for the removal of the text, and have restored it. Polly Tunnel (talk) 13:12, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

If you understand Turkish, very interesting, the head of the Gypsy Music from Edirne, explain he and other dislike the word roman and prefer the old Word Cingene. Cingene so he explain is not a slur. Because he explain the word romanlar is rtificially

https://www.istanbullife.org/maasli-cingeneler.htm Turski Zigani (talk) 10:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Erdine or Edirne

I think that you will find the place is and always has been called Erdine not Edirne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.250.174.30 (talk) 15:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Google Maps uses the name "Edirne" and a general Google search brings up far more matches for "Edirne" than "Erdine" (consistent with the latter being a spelling mistake). Do you have any reliable sources giving the name as "Erdine"? Polly Tunnel (talk) 16:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Edirne is correct modern Turkish name. Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 20:26, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Economy: Employment Figures

The article states that "73% of the working population work in agriculture, fishing, forests, hunting." This seems highly unlikely, given that Edirne is fairly dense city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrasybulus11 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The problem here is that in Turkey the capital city of each province usually has the same name so really Edirne needs a disambuguation page that separates the city content from that of the province - which is, as you say, where this info on agriculture etc belongs. Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 20:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding names of cities

How come do cities in modern day Turkey all have Greek names attached in Wikipedia articles and cities in modern day Greece don't have Turkish names? 2A02:A210:A42:7980:5C32:5F8B:4AF5:D159 (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Because the Greek names continued in common currency until 1453 and even then continued to be well known. As this page says, Adrianople continued to be used right through intothe early 20th century. Including these names helps with understanding historic texts where the old Greek names may be used. As someone living in Turkey, I care most about the Turkish names while as a historian I know how useful knowing the old names can be - and how confusing it can be if you don't known, for example, that Adrianople and Edirne refer to same place! Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 20:30, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Your explanation is not valid and doesn't make sense. Thessaloniki was known as "Selanik" until it was occupied by Greece in the 1910s. In other words, it was known by the Turkish name until the 20th century. According to your logic, it is legal for us to write its Turkish name at the beginning of the Thessaloniki article. But Wikipedia admins do not accept this. End this discrimination and double standard against Turks. 37.155.84.69 (talk) 14:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Istanbul, not "Constantinople" before it became the capital

Before it becomes the capital, it has to be Istanbul, not Constantinople. The name of the city has been Istanbul since 1453. Global technologyy (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Global technologyy, Exactly, since 1453 the city has been called Istanbul. There is no point in explaining something here in the English wikipedia, the pro-Greek and Armenian lobby is too strongly represented, see the name conflict Tenedos - Imbroz. They refuse to accept the official turkish names of the two islands. Öztürküm (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME. The common English name of Istanbul until the 19th century was Constantinople. In Turkish, the city had more than one official name, Istanbul being only one of them; the most common one in Turkish during the Ottoman period would likely be Ko[n]stantiniyye. Also see Names of Istanbul. Uness232 (talk) 20:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Definitely not Konstantiniye, but Payitaht. The Ottoman Turks of Muslim Faith called the City Payitaht not Konstantiniye. Öztürküm (talk) 14:34, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Necipoglu, who we use as a source in the Names of Istanbul article, would disagree with you. Do you have any sources that claim Payitaht was the most common name? Uness232 (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

türk müsün? Öztürküm (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, although partly of non-Turkish ancestry. Don't see the connection to the subject at hand though. Also see WP:ENGLISHPLEASE. Uness232 (talk) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

and which muslim turks in the ottoman empire continued to call istanbul konstantiniye after 1453?

yörükler and manavlar, certainly not. Öztürküm (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, let's do this another way. Let me quote to you the article being cited on Wikipedia, since Wikipedia uses WP:RELIABLESOURCES, you should be able to find an opposing, more popular viewpoint for your own position. Historian Gülru Necipoğlu's From Byzantine Constantinople to Ottoman Kostantiniyye: Creation of a Cosmopolitan Capital and Visual Culture Under Sultan Mehmed II cites Halil İnalcık's entry on the Encylopedia on Islam on this matter. Clearly a reliable source for this, it states:

Mehmed II engaged with diverse artistic traditions in refashioning his public persona and self-image upon the reconstructed stage of his new capital, which continued to be called Kostantiniyye (Costantinopolis), alongside its popular name, Istanbul (from the Greek eis tin polin, meaning "to the city").

The point on Yörüks and Manavs does not make much sense to me, neither of these groups constituted the population of İstanbul after the conquest. If you have sources, you can change the the text, but it seems like you do not. Uness232 (talk) 14:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Neyse, boşver.... Öztürküm (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Why no article on Adrianople???

I was looking for Adrianople and got redirected to this. I want to learn about Adrianople from the Roman context, not the Turk occupation, Adrianople in the Roman context is mentioned so much in history books, but no Wikipedia article? Middle More Rider (talk) 11:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Why isn't there a separate article called "Selanik"? I want to learn the situation of Selanik (Thessaloniki) during the Ottoman period, not the situation under Greek occupation. 37.155.84.69 (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Really???? You actually said that in public!!!

Middle More Rider (talk) 19:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Edrine Boy

Edrine Boy is a Ugandan TikTok actor, who made a name for himself for comically imitating behaviours pertaining to the mothers at home. 197.239.14.144 (talk) 21:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

And what does that have to do with the subject of this article? --BjKa (talk) 11:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

"Liver"

The article currently says (right in the opening paragraph - it's apparently that important!) "The town is famous in Turkey for its liver." Now, I'm no expert on entrails, but wouldn't it be kinda important to mention what kind of animals these livers come from? crabs? chicken? pigs? humans? No offence meant to the butchers of Edirne, I'm intentionally being absurd to make the point that "liver" means nothing at all. --BjKa (talk) 11:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)