Talk:Dutch Shepherd

Article name

Shouldn't this article be moved to Dutch Shepherd Dog in order to conform with the naming conventions? Why is it called Hollandse Herder in the first place? --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 14:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Correct name is Dutch Shepherd. Like the articles on German Shepherd or Belgian Shepherd use the name without "Dog". In the Netherlands they also call it Dutch Shepherd (Hollandse Herder). Shepherd Dog is more of a description, as in "that's a shepherd's dog". Karel Adriaan (talk) 04:09, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Anthropomorphising

Can we please do without references to animals being "brave", "loyal", "loving", or otherwise exhibiting exclusively human emotions? These claims are impossible to support with citations from scientific sources (although there's certainly enough to be found on dog-lover websites written by those who insist on linking human emotional processes with non-sapient beings) and thus can't contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia. Alvis 06:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Protecting its owner could be described as brave. Most wiki articles on dogs use anthropomorphical concepts to describe the animal's characteristics. Any particular reason why you're oh so objecting the use of language in this article only?

This language is incompatible with a factual encyclopedia. One article at a time. See User:Alvis/Anthropomorphism and its talk page. Alvis 09:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay - forgot about wikipedia. In my view intelligence, loving and loyalty are not anthropomorphistic expressions as they are used to describe the dog's ability to obey, listen and learn - nothing else. No human characteristics are applied to this article. Have otherwise altered the wording to the source. Schmusername 10:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Using descriptives like "loyal" or "intelligent" to describe a dog's temperament doesn't strike me as particularly anthromorphic either. I mean, what other words would you suggest the author uses to describe a dog who appears to display these temperament traits? Or are you asserting that dogs are incapable of thought and emotion? Few scientists or dog trainers would agree with that, so if this is what you're saying, then surely the onus of proof should be on you? Rachel, 7 June 2007.

Question, if the official FCI breed standard states that the character of the dog should be "Very loyal and reliable, always alert, watchful, active, independent, with persistence, intelligence, prepared to be obedient and gifted with the true shepherding temperament.", is that not worthy of including on this page. After all, the people who created the breed wrote this.

Citations

This article is poorly written...I changed one paragraph that had a sentence that was in 2nd person, but the whole page needs an edit or redo. Encyclopedia articles are supposed to be factual and unbiased; it is not written as such. The writing about health needs sources to back up the fact...I don't know if the information about hip dysplasia is true, or if those reasonswhy they are preferred by the police are true. Many working GSDs are on the smaller side, and no bigger than Dutch Shepherds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.19.75.5 (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no evidence that the "sloping back" of the German Shepherd Dog contributes in any way to the incidence of hip dysplasia. A quick look at the database for Orthopedic Foundation For Animals quite suggests otherwise. The dogs with higher rates of hip dysplasia are squarely built dogs. Common misconceptions should not be stated as fact. There is a reason for requiring credible citations. Tanith, 12 March 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.167 (talk) 16:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

History

The history section title was removed and I returned it. I suspect it was a good faith edit but it was without explanation. Nor were the three subsections of history rewritten as stand alone sections. But perhaps the should be? Jemmaca (talk) 20:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

7.2 The Dutch Shepherd in the USA

This reads more like a brochure from the UKC than an encyclopedia entry. Archolman | User talk:Archolman 16:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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