Talk:Duff Abrams

Latest comment: 16 years ago by Pharmboy in topic AFD candidate

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Either the article needs to be expanded to explain the basic terms, such as Abrams cone or this article should be linked over from concrete. It is orphaned now, and needs work or merging. Pharmboy 17:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As the (first) author of this small biography, I had some problems getting much information. I even sent an email to the current website ( of the Portland Cement Association to inquire about DA Abrams place of birth and date and place of death. My correspondent there, Rick Bohan, had very little information, and I think it will not be easy to find more biographical information. (Not on the internet anyway, there should be more in archives and libraries). I like to see it in another perspective: this meagre article is probably still the best biography on Duff Abrams on the entire Internet.
Merging this article with Concrete seems a bad idea to me, because then, you mix biographies with articles on materials. After this article was started, the red links to Fineness modulus and Water-cement ratio have since been filled with articles. I put links back to Duff Abrams in those articles, so that this is no orphan anymore.
It should not be difficult to create an article on Abrams cone - information is available on the web, including (non free) pictures. Johan Lont 15:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This article should not be merged with Concrete. There are many people who are important to the history of concrete, and it would be better to expand this article, rather than reduce it to fit in with concrete without placing undue emphasis on Abrams' contributions. Argyriou (talk) 16:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

AFD candidate Edit

This is fine, except that the person doesn't meet the requirements for WP:notability and may be a candidate for delete. All the related project tags don't fix it or change that fact. Someone needs to find sources that meet WP:RS. The first link flatly doesn't meet the policy and the second link has nothing to do with Duff Abrams, but is a link to cement dot org. The choices are either 1. merge, 2. find sources that meet policy for both reliable sources and notability, or 3. go AFD for delete. It isn't something that has to be done today, but it needs to be done soon. Pharmboy 21:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

He most certainly is notable in his field. Argyriou (talk) 21:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Colorful use of the english language in your summaries. Perhaps someone could actually work all these WP:RS links into the article sometime soon, just for giggles. Pharmboy 21:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pharmboy, are you suggesting we should insert all (about 2,630) references that Argyriou found on into the article?
The documents listed under "Bibliography" are the documents that I found on the website of the Portland Cement Association (PCA) ( That is the reason why I put that link under "External Links". I probably should have put it in a different way.
I first read about DA Abrams in my fathers old (1950) "Bouwkundige encyclopedie" (Encyclopedia of building construction, in Dutch). That book did not contain a separate article on Abrams, but he was mentioned in some of the articles. Should I give a reference to that book with the facts that I found there? (I cannot give it immediately, since it is at my mother's house). Johan Lont 15:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe insert the actual LINK showing that He most certainly is notable in his field., which is a perfectly acceptable method. That seems like a fine way to add verifiable sources AND it doesn't require a trip to the library to verify. Prior to seeing that link, I had not found anyone who has independently written about him, which is what I normally look for. I wasn't argueing his notability as much as putting a flame under someone's ass to get them to cough up something verifiable AFTER I made a good faith effort to research him. Pharmboy 20:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I removed the merge tag I had previously added as new link satisfieds WP:RS and WP:V, now it just needs some wikilinking, via concrete perhaps, and it would seem the article would be decently written, linked and sourced. Pharmboy 22:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]