Talk:Deeside

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History, references and citations edit

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Hello folks. After adding this message, I will create a history and references section in the article. I cannot add much to the history section at this stage, other than the citation I will place there. However, I'm sure you can fill out some history, and that there will be some interesting highlights. You could elaborate for example on Gladstone's last years. And on the place during the 19th century and before - what about settlement for example?

You could also do with some citations for the information you have already in the article. There are some many examples to get ideas of how to do this. Two that I am familiar with, that you may find useful are Malvern, Worcestershire, and Wakefield. You can see how the information was sourced. For example, various national and local body websites, and other information available on the internet or in libraries etc. You can also see how the references were formatted.

For historical records, you can check websites like: Internet Archive search page

On that site, entering "Deeside" in the 'Any field' section (keeping the search broad in the first instance and narrowing down if too many returns), I got the following list: Internet Archive listing for 'Deeside'. Wotnow (talk) 09:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Self-correction and apology. I have since realised that the Deeside for which I found references pertains to Scotland, whereas this article is about the Welsh Deeside. I realised that as I tried to find matches in the sources with key words in the article, and then followed some of the article links. Ironically, to a casual reader such as myself, the lead paragraphs provide no cues to the fact that the article pertains to Wales. There is no mention of Wales, no map, and none of the names look unmistakeably Welsh. After completing this self-correction, I'll place "Wales" at an appropriate place in the lead paragraph.

The comments and suggestions above on improving article citations still stand - they are independent of my error on the geographical location of Deeside.

Regarding Internet Archive, a broad search using "Wales" in the title field yields numerous results - too many for most people to wade through and glean out the useful resources, which are doubtless there. However, it can be a very fruitful exercise to peruse random page selections to spot (a) useful resources, and (b) useful search terms to narrow down the returns. Those of you familiar with Deeside, and thus with key words or phrases, can do this far better than I can hope to:

Internet Archive return for "Wales"

Some possible general resources from this search return are listed in the references below.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]

A search combination using 'Wales' and 'Dee' gave the following return, which while yielding one useful resource,^[7] is far too narrow: Internet Archive return for Wales & Dee. Wotnow (talk) 08:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Some sources edit

References edit

^ Warrington, Rev. William (1786). The History of Wales, in Nine Books: with an Appendix. London: Printed for J. Johnson. ISBN 978-0-8020-9072-0. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)
^ Woodward, B.B. (1859). The History of Wales; from the Earliest times, to its final Incorporation with the Kingdom of England. London: James S. Virtue. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)
^ Edwards, Owen M. (1902). Wales. The Story of the Nations. New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)
^ Jones, E. Alfred, ed. (1913). Memorials of Old North Wales. London: George Allen & Company. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)
^ Story, Alfred T. (1920). North Wales. With Thirty-two Illustrations and Two Maps (2nd ed.). London: Methuen & Co. Ltd. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)
^ Klausner, David N., ed. (2005). Wales. Records of Early Drama. London & Toronto: The British Library and University of Toronto Press. ISBN 978-0-8020-9072-0. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)
^ Harper, Charles G. (1894). The Marches of Wales: Notes and Impressions on the Welsh Borders, from the Severn Sea, to the Sands o' Dee. London: Chapman & Hall Ltd. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

Settlements closer to Chester, part of Deeside? edit

Latest comment: 5 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

An IP recently argued that the settlements nearer to Chester aren't regarded as Deeside? Unless I cannot see it correctly, cannot see the source stating they are? But boldly reverted as it didn't provide a citation either. The old Flintshire Chronicle limits it to only Connah's Quay, Shotton and sometimes Queensferry, plus Deeside Industrial Park. When were the border places added here? Is there support to trim it to those four places?

Nonetheless, making this section so I don't forget and could come back to this in the future. Dank Jae 21:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

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[Warrington1786-1] Warrington, Rev. William (1786). The History of Wales, in Nine Books: with an Appendix. London: Printed for J. Johnson. ISBN 978-0-8020-9072-0. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

[Woodward1859-2] Woodward, B.B. (1859). The History of Wales; from the Earliest times, to its final Incorporation with the Kingdom of England. London: James S. Virtue. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

[Edwards1902-3] Edwards, Owen M. (1902). Wales. The Story of the Nations. New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

[Jones1913-4] Jones, E. Alfred, ed. (1913). Memorials of Old North Wales. London: George Allen & Company. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

[Story1920-5] Story, Alfred T. (1920). North Wales. With Thirty-two Illustrations and Two Maps (2nd ed.). London: Methuen & Co. Ltd. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

[Klausner2005-6] Klausner, David N., ed. (2005). Wales. Records of Early Drama. London & Toronto: The British Library and University of Toronto Press. ISBN 978-0-8020-9072-0. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

[Harper1894-7] Harper, Charles G. (1894). The Marches of Wales: Notes and Impressions on the Welsh Borders, from the Severn Sea, to the Sands o' Dee. London: Chapman & Hall Ltd. Retrieved 25 April 2010. Full text at Internet Archive (archive.org)

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