Talk:David E. Aldrich

Latest comment: 14 years ago by Dbratland in topic July 2010

I am working to fix the reference links

Good Work

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Nice job updating this info.Mrmcdonnell (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

October 2009

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An SPA came along and tagged this for speedy deletion, in my opinion unfairly. I have plucked a bunch of peacock feathers: this wasn't a bad resume or tenure application, but it was a bad article. Below, please find the puffy section "news coverage."

News Coverage

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Drmies (talk) 04:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

July 2010

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I've flagged this page for notability review (most of the articles referencing this individual seem to do so only in passing, or are not from independent sources) and done some cleanup of the text, but couldn't find much in the way of new sources. Note that I've also flagged another page created by the same author(Peckhammer TV) -- that one was previously deleted for non-notability and recreated (by the same author) shortly thereafter, but doesn't appear to have undergone review since. 68.122.35.182 (talk) 02:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

This page already survived a challenge in October 2009. A look at the history of the page (references) clearly shows that this person has received significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. It appears that a number of these references were deleted by other authors. Also, the notability criteria are are less stringent than for other article types. It is my understanding that once an article has survived the deletion review process, the article stands. Revision, perhaps. Deletion, no. Souris40 (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

The 2009 challenge was unrelated to notability grounds -- pages often go through deletion discussions repeatedly when there are different issues involved. (The issue raised in 2009 was a claim that the page was a promotional piece or resume-equivalent rather than an encyclopedia article.) Also, the 2009 challenge never went to full discussion; one editor posted the speedy deletion template and another removed it, but that's not equivalent to an official ruling. The sources listed here on the talk page (as previously deleted) don't appear to establish notability; they're either not "substantial coverage" (e.g., an article quoting someone as a spokesperson for an organization doesn't establish the notability of that individual), or they're not independent sources because they're published by the subject's employer. If I'm missing something, please clarify -- have multiple reliable third-party sources ever profiled this individual, or otherwise discussed him (as an individual, not just an organizational mouthpiece) at length? If so, identifying these (and excerpting, if they're not available online) would help to support a claim of notability. 68.122.32.35 (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

It is valid for a second editor to remove a speedy deletion template; it indicates there is not unanimous support for deletion and therefore an Articles for deletion discussion would be required. I was able to find links to the two newspaper articles with a trivial Google search of the article titles, and even if they were not on line, the policy assume good faith requires we assume they were valid news articles when published. WP:RS does not insist that all sources be online.

I've removed the notability tag -- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peckhammer TV determined that Peckhammer TV is notable and that alone makes Aldrich notable, plus the coverage in two major newspapers and in Sound RIDER!.

You could still try to nominate this page at WP:AFD but please read WP:SNOW first; I believe it would be a waste of everyone's time. --Dbratland (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

August 2010

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I've removed the "self-published" tag. The link that it referred to is from a news and announcements page at the University of Washington, and while it does appear to have been posted by Aldrich, it was made in the course of his employment and represents information published for, and presumably reviewed by the University.

Self-published material is acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. The material is not unduly self-serving; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject of the article; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and the article is not based primarily on such sources.