Talk:Daniel Keighran

Controversy

Not sure if this can or should be integrated into the article. THE Australian military has been accused of a cover-up over the death in Afghanistan of Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Unless Keighran actually made the comments referred to, I'd have thought Battle of Derapet was a better place to refer to that. David Underdown (talk) 10:16, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Good point -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal

Gday,

This article dated 04 Dec 12 from the Defence web site lists Keighran's current honours and awards as fol:

• Victoria Cross for Australia
• Australian Active Service Medal with Clasp Iraq and Clasp ICAT
• Iraq Campaign Medal
• Afghanistan Campaign Medal
• Australian Service Medal with Clasp East Timor
• Australian Defence Medal
• United Nations Mission in Support of East Timor Medal
• NATO Non Article 5 Medal with Clasp ISAF
• Meritorious Unit Citation for 1-MTF
• Infantry Combat Badge

No mention of the QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal. As such I think Pdfpdf was right to remove it until/if there is evidence of him receiving the award. Anotherclown (talk) 22:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. He got the VC too late in the year to get the Commonwealth's jubilee medal since all the medals made have been issued. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 04:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Riband bar queries

Should unit citations be on the riband bar? Daniel Keighran is not now serving with a unit awarded the US PUS. Anthony Staunton (talk) 06:52, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Which approach do you recommend? Nick-D (talk) 07:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

The Meritorious Unit Citation with Federation star is something he can wear forever, but you are correct about the US PUS. He is currently a member of the 11/28 RWAR which is a reserve unit that has never recieved the US PUS and therefore he is no longer entitled to wear or have it. The man who owns 'Suncoast Security Watch' was a member of D Company 6RAR after the Vietnam war and and he said the citation has to be returned to the unit upon leaving it. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 08:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Correct on both counts. Anotherclown (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Order of wearing?

The Order of wearing (pdf) places the Afghanistan Medal before the Iraq Medal, and that's how they appear on Keighran's chest (and on the wiki page). However, in the article at http://www.defence.gov.au/defencenews/stories/2012/dec/1204.htm, they have reversed the order. Is the article in error, or is there an explanation for the article listing the medals in that order? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Nice pick up. The article is correct. Keighran served in Iraq in 2006 before first serving in Afghanistan in 2007. Where there is an overlap, it is the individual's entry into an operational area not the start of the campaign that counts. Anthony Staunton (talk) 13:29, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

What you say is what I would have expected to be the case. However, although the Order of wearing explicitly states this for clasps and foreign awards, there is no similar footnote for campaign medals. Does this mean that the Order of wearing is not "the" definitive document? Or what does it mean?

Also, I find it interesting that Keighran wears them in the order specified in Order of wearing - possibly to avoid having to repeatedly have the conversation we are having? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:46, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The Australian Order of Wear does not explicitly address the issue in 500 words whereas the British Order of Wear sums up everything in 25 words ‘Campaign Medals and Stars including authorised United Nations, European Community/Union and North Atlantic Treaty Organisation medals (in order of date of campaign for which awarded)’. The Australian Order of Wear does state clasps to the AASM ‘should’ be worn on the ribbon in order of date of receipt. The word should suggests discretion although why the AASM is listed before either the Iraq or Afghanistan Medals puzzles me since you would think a full medal would trump a medal with clasps. Anthony Staunton (talk) 12:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for consensus to removeal of US PUC

The Presidential Unit Citation (United States) was awarded to 6RAR and not to Keighran, as he is no longer a member of 6RAR I believe a consensus should be established to remove it from this page. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 17:31, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed - Consensus is not required for correcting an obvious error as in this case. I recommend that you update the article but add a footnote along the lines that the emblem is worn by personal while on the strength of D Company 6RAR but is only permanently worn by soldiers who served with the company in the battle at Long Tan. Anthony Staunton (talk) 23:33, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I have now done so, feel free to shorten the note if it is too long. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 04:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

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This is my problem

I'm sick and tired of seeing this being a "B class" assignment on 3 WikiProjects but yet, 2 say that it is B class, and the third stating "Start" class while the B class assessment states "Start". Why not put it as B class? Simple coding like that gives me the sh!ts. Nobody does it correctly. Adamdaley (talk) 23:48, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

If the 5 B-Class assessments are yes, then it is B class and shows as such in the template shown to the reader (and in the categories). Woody (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)