Talk:Dan Spitz

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Maybe the Anthrax discography info does not need to be here? Link to it on the Anthrax page, maybe?--BW

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Claims of sexual impropriety re #metoo

Greetings,

I agree with the removal of the claim regarding the woman's accusations following the #metoo movement; just because the connected editor removed it, doesn't mean we should restore it. Both the sources altPress and metalsucks both point to the same basic claim from a facebook posting which has since been deleted. I don't follow metal and music press. Are altpress and metal sucks reliable sources? Has the story been corroborated anywhere else other than a facebook posting? Did the journalists who wrote those articles actually interview the woman or seek additional details? This seems pretty controversial for it to be so poorly sourced. It's not like we're referring to a fact that is publicly well-known, but sourced from a less than RS. Centerone (talk) 08:09, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

The news accounts looked into the now-deleted Facebook entry, so that right there is a bit of investigation. We cannot know whether any reporters called any of the people involved but were turned away. I don't think it's controversial activity as it takes place on a band bus; it's fairly normal in the rock touring world to assume that a teenage girl on a band bus is open to sex. There must be hundreds of stories like this one going unreported. Binksternet (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Investigation? Looked into? In what way do you feel they investigated it? My read of it was they simply repeat what she allegedly said on her facebook posting, and maybe sent her a FB message. I don't really see any claims of investigation, or any in-depth journalism. And seriously? When I'm talking about controversial, I'm talking about it the way wikipedia in general seems to see controversial things in the context of BLPs, I'm not judging things in context of back-rooms and tour bus antics at rock concerts. Centerone (talk) 17:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm disturbed by the recent edit which states: "the validity of the allegations are irrelevant -- they are simply allegations, and are notable enough to warrant inclusion on the page" Certainly validity of such claims are absolutely relevant! We have BLP standards, as well as RS standards. Right now we have a statement from a public facebook comment that has since been deleted, we have two websites that aren't much more than blogs, that "covered" the claim without any real investigative journalism, or even seemingly attempts to interview the woman. We can't possibly include or take every comment or allegation someone makes about a celebrity seriously. Centerone (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I am cleaning up the Dan Spitz article today to add sources and remove spurious information. I have researched this particular claim and have found that nothing has been reported since the original Facebook accusation. In libel law, it is illegal to falsely accuse someone of a crime in the media, and if the claim is actually true, that is for the law enforcement establishment and court system to determine. The accusation has appeared in no reliable news sources, nor has any news source reported on an investigation, which would be done when evidence of a crime comes to light. When/if any of that happens, it will be a verifiable story for Wikipedia. I don't think that standard has been met yet. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:58, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Coming from WT:BLP per Doomsdayer above. BLP urges editors to not include allegations of crimes or other similar activities unless they have been convicted or there are other good reasons. For example, if the accusation, prior to any conviction or confirmation, led to a significant impact on the person's career, that would be necessary to include. In this case, there appears to have been no impact on Spitz and certainly hasn't been corroborted; BLP strongly recommends not including this information even if it can be sourced. --Masem (t) 17:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Per the comment from Masem above (see also WP:BLP), I am removing the text about the accusation from the article. Concerned persons can watch for future developments in the story and add verifiable and corroborated legal proceedings. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)