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Pronunciation

Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

How is his name pronounced? Is the ph like an f or separate sounds? Thanks --Metallurgist (talk) 04:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

The 'h' in the'ph' in most (all?) Banthu languages is muted. So his surname is pronounced ("ra" "ma" "pour" "za") if you are using a non-rhotic English accent to pronounce those syllables. You can also roll the 'R' but many people don't. Rooiratel (talk) 08:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

President or Acting President

Latest comment: 6 years ago12 comments5 people in discussion

Clarify: The way I've always understood it. When the President of South Africa dies, resigns or is removed from office, the Deputy President becomes President. GoodDay (talk) 23:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

That’s not what Chapter 5 of the Constitution says. EuroAgurbash (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't Chapter 5 only say acting president when the president absent from the country or incapacitated? GoodDay (talk) 23:56, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

He is Acting President, until a new President is elected. https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/cyril-ramaphosa-fulfils-acting-president-role Zaian (talk) 08:52, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Wait a sec. Isn't it the Speaker of the House, who assumes duties as Acting President, when the presidency becomes vacant? GoodDay (talk) 10:52, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@GoodDay: have you got a source ? --Panam2014 (talk) 11:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

According to this, Article 90 of the Constitution says:

90. Acting President

1. When the President is absent from the Republic or otherwise unable to fulfil the duties of President, or during a vacancy in the office of President (emphasis added), an office-bearer in the order below acts as President-

a. The Deputy President.

b. A Minister designated by the President.

c. A Minister designated by the other members of the Cabinet.

d. The Speaker, until the National Assembly designates one of its other members.

Since Zuma has "resigned with immediate effect", it seems that this is pretty obviously "during a vacancy in the office of President". I'm not totally sure what it's trying to say, but since it says "in the order below" and the Deputy President (Ramaphosa) is first, I think this means that he is Acting President.

The Speaker of the National Assembly only becomes Acting President after a vote of no-confidence, because then the Deputy President and all the Ministers have to resign as well. IronTempleMan (talk) 12:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Why is it different at the List of current heads of state and government article? GoodDay (talk) 12:35, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Well it isn't anymore. Don't know why it was different, someone must have heard that the Speaker becomes President after a no-confidence vote, and confused that with what happens after the President resigns. This is all irrelevant now though, since he's been elected President by the National Assembly now.^[1]

@GoodDay, Vaze50, Zaian, IronTempleMan, and EuroAgurbash: I am not agree with this unexplained deleting of a sourced information. It should be restored. --Panam2014 (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

My understanding of the general custom for people who served as an acting holder of an office, and who then became the permanent holder, is to state the term start to be when they assumed it is a permanent holder, and then note the period during which they served as the acting holder. I could be wrong though. IronTempleMan (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Zuma announced his resignation around 11pm on 14 February, and the resignation (as I understand it) took effect when it was received by the Speaker on the 15th, and by the afternoon of the 15th, Ramaphosa was sworn in. So Ramaphosa was "acting" president for a matter of hours, and then continued to the full role. Those few hours are a legal / political technicality and don't seem important enough to include in the info box.Zaian (talk) 06:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, you’re probably right. If we’re not noting that we was acting for the 14th though, should the term start be the 14th or 15th? I’m not sure. IronTempleMan (talk) 10:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

References

^ Cotterill, Joseph (15 February 2018). "Cyril Ramaphosa voted in as South Africa's president". Financial Times. Financial Times. Retrieved 15 February 2018.

Rewrite needed

Latest comment: 6 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

It is my opinion that this article needs to be rewritten to reflect that President Ramaphosa placed all business interests into a blind trust in May 2014 ^[1]. It will follow that many references to business dealings need to be placed in the past tense. If anyone is aware of this being reversed, please let me know. I will revisit this page after the 14th of March to do so, should I not be advised against it here. Martinmenge (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I concur with the contributor hereunder suggesting incorporating the Afrikaans article. This will take care of my suggestion here above as reference is made to the blind trust. Martinmenge (talk) 09:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

References

^ https://www.enca.com/elections-2014-south-africa/ramaphosa-gives-control-business-interests-deputy-position

Attempts at citations and cleanup

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have added multiple citations to improve the quality of the article, with the intent to get it up to Wikipedia standard. Please assist where possible and let's aim to get the notices out of the way? Also feel free to amend any of my changes where required or notify me of potentially questionable changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steynstrauss (talk • contribs) 15:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

In addition, it is highly recommended that a new structure for this article is created, and that a specific section is created for controversies. Similarly, it should not be biased to only controversies, but also highlight positive contributions and aspects. Bob Paulsen (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Is he acting on corruption?

Latest comment: 4 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

The article mentions what he said and demanded to be done about corruption. However that was years ago. Now, installed into highest office and confirmed by a public vote with absolute majority, one naturally wonders what he is actually doing about the issue previosuly declared to be of central and vital importance. I could not detect anything about this in the article. If someone familiar with South African politics could add information to this topic, including how the public reacts to what he is doing - or not (yet) doing? - to address this root problem (as he described it himself), that would be helpful. --129.206.185.172 (talk) 10:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@129.206.185.172: You have a fair point. More information about his recent political views and policies, especially on corruption, should be added to the article. I am honestly quite disappointed with the layout of the article. It is very, very minimalist and outdated, if you could say. Sections need to be expanded, more details need to be added, etc. I would love to expand it but it would be a massive task. Lefcentreright (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

If you have no intentions of expanding the page,you have no right to criticize it.Queen mash (talk) 10:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Queen mash: Hi, new user. I was just giving my honest opinion at that stage. Also, I have the right to criticise this article because I have edited and expanded this article a lot. If you do not trust the claim "I have edited and expanded this article a lot", please refer to the "View History" section. You will clearly see that I have contributed to it. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay,I get that you've edited this page a lot,maybe that's what you should do again to ensure that this article exposes the truth and nothing but the truth Queen mash (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

[1] Cotterill, Joseph (15 February 2018). "Cyril Ramaphosa voted in as South Africa's president". Financial Times. Financial Times. Retrieved 15 February 2018.

[2] ttps://www.enca.com/elections-2014-south-africa/ramaphosa-gives-control-business-interests-deputy-position

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