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Conway Twitty's importance in Country MusicEdit

Being that (until George Strait broke his record in 2006) Conway Twitty had the most number-one-hits on the country charts and had crossover success as well, does it not seem reasonable that he should at least be mentioned in the history of country music? Just a thought. 76.170.193.42 (talk) 18:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Twitty was also inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame in 1999 with notable contributions[1] . His presence in the history of country music is prominent. Glitteringrose68 (talk) 05:35, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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  1. ^ http://countrymusichalloffame.org/full-list-of-inductees/view/conway-twitty. Missing or empty |title= (help)

UntitledEdit

OH DEAR ITS THAT BRITISH PROBLEM AGAIN! First I admit to knowing nothing about country music Second ..I admit that for most people country music starts in the 1920s But there must be some people who are interested in its even earlier origins.. What does wiki say? Well its the Irish and other immigrants who brought over some of their folk music..Well although there were immigrants from Ireland pre revolution they would have kept quiet about it ..real Irish immigration took place in the 1840s and then relative to the size of the US was not enormously high So from the 1620s right through to 1776 and on well until the 1880s and probably even later the dominant group in the USA were the British ..originated. However ,there is not one word of them or their songs and music ..indeed right through to the early 1900s it was British entertainment music hall stars that dominated American entertainment ..So where is this British contribution? From 1620 to 1776..150 years or 1620 to 1900..280 years there must have been some contribution.. but not a word! Of course everyone knows that the music of the Star Spangled Banner..Americas national anthem is simply an old and popular London drinking song but there surely must have been many other British influences in early American music...Cant we read about them?80.98.113.13 (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

The above should be at bottom of this Talk page, not the top. If not moved in three days I will delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.41.130 (talk) 13:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Done. Is there some reason you couldn't do it yourself, Your Majesty? By the way, removing it would have been vandalism. Not a good thing to threaten on Wikipedia. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Well, that was quick. Thank you Largo. Apologies if my words came across as a threat. I don't know how to move it. I've been deleted for a similar offense. If that was really vandalism, I don't think anyone cared. I must confess that if it weren't for the sarcasm in caps and the exaggerated whining tone, I wouldn't have taken a blind bit of notice where those remarks were entered. That sort of thing is rife in WP. Right Your Highness? My name is Al Cook and I live in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.41.130 (talk) 13:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Taylor SwiftEdit

I added a photo of Taylor Swift to the "Sixth Generation" section as she is easily one of the most prominent "crossover" artists in this current generation of country music. Share your thoughts here. teratogen (talk) 18:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Agree. She is easily the most successful Country Artist of this decade. TBWarrior720 (talk) 13:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of the articleEdit

19 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd love to see a topic this major get to GA, but this seems to be a driveby nomination of an article that still has a ways to go to meet the criteria. The full criteria are at WP:GA?, but a few issues I see at a glance:

  • The lead doesn't appear to summarize all parts of the article per WP:LEAD, and contains important information not in the article (the rush hour stat).
  • Whole sections appear to lack inline citations, including some stats like "Webb Pierce was the top-charting country artist of the 1950s, with 13 of his singles spending 113 weeks at number one." and mildly interpretative material like "backlash as well as traditional artists such as Ray Price, Marty Robbins, and Johnny Horton began to shift the industry away from the rock n' roll influences of the mid-1950s" or "There is also a thriving country community in the province of Quebec."

Thanks to everybody who's worked on this one to get to this point--I hope this can serve as a prod to bring this the rest of the way to GA, where it would be a sure winner of a Half Million Award at least! -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to post this here so other editors could see it without going elsewhere. I plan on editing in line with that review. If you have added unreferenced material, please find a reference and add it to the artilce. Steve Pastor (talk) 16:55, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Please note the following: All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. Please remove unsourced contentious material about living people immediately. [[1]]Steve Pastor (talk) 21:10, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

No harm intendedEdit

Was aiming to show someone the awesome power of your site - and just how powerful a content curation process is in addition to technology. Will be mindful in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deskkeybadge (talkcontribs) 14:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Alt countryEdit

Keeping with the article's style, I added a subheader to "Sixth Generation" (as per those in "Fourth Generation"). The subheader reads "Alt country." I added a brief paragraph about this genre to the article as artists like Uncle Tupelo, Wilco, and Ryan Adams had not been mentioned, and do play an important part in bridging the country genre with punk and indie rock. To many young people their sound is country. Beautiful article! Extremely informative! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.113.161 (talk) 13:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't alt country be under the Fourth generation? After all, artists like Jason and the Scorchers were around in the '80s, with little mainstream success to be sure, but they were there. And actually the roots of the music date back to the days of Kenny Rogers and the First Edition and Linda Ronstadt. I think it should be in the fourth generation, if not, I think there should at least be an explanation as to why it isn't. Like something to the effect of: "Although alt country was around since the '80s it didn't become popular until the 2000s." Just a thought.

Noah Tall (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The whole "Generation" business started here - "Revision as of 20:41, 13 August 2012 (edit) (undo) 204.116.202.13 (talk). There was no discussion of the use of those headings among previous editors of the article. I would be fine if we ditched those "generation" headings altogether since they are a pretty artificial construct. Steve Pastor (talk) 21:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Sixth Generation - Miranda LambertEdit

Can we add Miranda Lambert to the sixth generation of country music? She has arguably had a much more successful career in the past decade than some of the other names that are currently listed in the section. Earlier this month she set a new record by winning the ACM Female Vocalist of the Year 5 years in a row[1] overtaking Carrie Underwood's previous record. Just a thought! Glitteringrose68 (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you have at least one reference for it. I'd say yes. Please be sure to have them in the text. Steve Pastor (talk) 20:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Third generation (1950s–1960s)Edit

My personal memory of the 1950s is that Western and Country were very distinct genres. To reduce it to absurd simplicity, Country music had banjo, Western music had slide guitar &/or a jumbo western lead guitar (see Les Paul & Mary Ford). IMHO, the article should better reflect the dichotomy that existed at that time. D A Patriarche, BSc (talk) (talk) 07:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Criticism Section DeletedEdit

Here is what I deleted: "Country music has been subjected to criticism on the ground that each song has the same melody and the same theme. (specifically the unofficial "Bro-country" songs).[98] In 2013 rock singer Tom Petty called country music "bad rock with a fiddle".[99]" The first link was to a gawker op-ed- piece (seems like an Onion style satire) and the second is a Tom Petty interview. I wouldn't really say these are criticism's of "country music" as pertaining to this article since this article is covering the genre over a 100 year period. If there is a wiki page for so-called "bro-country" than maybe it would be appropriate there (but I doubt it). --Brian Earl Haines (talk) 06:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Support the removal. Just because someone notable had an opinion doesn't mean it is relevant. And adding some neologism doesn't make it relevant. Even if this had been a serious article, I probably wouldn't support it because it's just a limited opinion that didn't get significant coverage. Were this an opinion that got widespread notice, it might be worth discussing. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm ok with it the removal, even though I agree with the opinion expressed. Everyone has an opinion, ya know? Steve Pastor (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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Bristol, TennesseeEdit

I've removed the specific mention of Bristol, Tennessee, from the opening sentence of the article. So far as I can see, it is not explained in the article text, and it seems highly dubious to me that the origins of such a broad genre can be pinned down so specifically. Happy to discuss here, so as to expand my knowledge. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

PictureEdit

Jazz and blues have a picture in the infobox, why doesn't country have one? --Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.142.50 (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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BluegrassEdit

In the introduction "Generations of country music", bluegrass is placed under the "third generation" label. Later in the article, bluegrass has advanced to second generation. What is correct?
       Pål Jensen (talk) 19:07, 9 August 2016 (UTC) See this comment from last year. The whole "Generation" business started here - "Revision as of 20:41, 13 August 2012 (edit) (undo) 204.116.202.13 (talk). There was no discussion of the use of those headings among previous editors of the article. I would be fine if we ditched those "generation" headings altogether since they are a pretty artificial construct. Steve Pastor (talk) 21:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC) Do you support removing the "Generation" headings? Anyone? Steve Pastor (talk)

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George StraitEdit

Should a picture of him be in this article? He’s one of the best selling artists of this genre, and has more Billboard #1’s hits than any other musician in the world (60 to be exact). Averagetennesseejoe (talk) 04:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Problematic, non-cited declarationEdit

Paragraph four of this article has some real problems, Quote:

"The term country music is used today to describe many styles and subgenres. The origins of country music are the folk music of working class white Americans, who blended popular songs, Irish and Celtic fiddle tunes, traditional English ballads, cowboy songs, and various musical traditions from European immigrants."

That second sentence ignores the influence of African and Native American contributors to country music, and falsely asserts that its origins are wholly "working class" - when the actual history appears to be that wealthy, landed individuals had a role in its development by sponsoring dances and providing quality musical instruments. Both slaves and free laborers were taught the traditional music and learned the instruments. Slaves took the "old world" tunes home and played them informally, adding African instrumentation as well, for instance the banjo. Slaves and poor free people played these tunes and tunes of their own devices on their own instruments, some of which were homemade instruments. The music truly developed among very poor, down and out groups of people on plantations and in the Appalachian mountains, as well as the "working class" in the coal mines and other industries.

I think the fourth paragraph of this article, quoted above, is inaccurate and misleading. Although the contributions of disenfranchised groups has been largely ignored in popular histories, there can be no doubt that the contributions were enormous, particular the African contributions, as even an African instrument (the banjo) has survived and thrived in country music. Native American influences are more difficult to trace, but at any rate, that paragraph as it stands now should be removed, or altered and citations provided.

--MarksCarts (talk) 14:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC) MarksCarts

Recommended Sub-Section Changes - Topic too big for one pageEdit

This page may need review because it is causing confusion. It might work better if the subsections were by decades. The decade of 1920-1930 was different than 1930-1940 years. Each decade would not exist without the previous decade. Every decade did expand, evolve, and spawn country music into new styles. By considering it in “generations” it leads the readers to think the music has evolved from the original format. It has not. A listener may think they are listening to the 1930’s Grand Ole Opry when listening to some of Jon Pardi or Miranda Lambert’s newest songs. Chris Stapleton's music is the example of country that is true country for any decades. But should that be discussed on the topic page of "Country Music" topic page? Probably not, instead link it out to his page.

George Strait, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton are legends but except a few songs their music is still the same from early in their careers. It is not unusual for a young fan to hear a new song by an artist and then realize they have years of previous songs to enjoy. At the same time singers like Reba McEntire have adapted her music to appeal to a younger base allowing her to establish several decades of songs that appeal to all ages.

Country music is also a difference in its delivery. Whereas other genres see artist  “go on tour” when they drop a new album, country music fans have the luxury of their favorites going on tour, every year. They tend to follow the rodeo circuit and state/region fairground patterns. Luke Bryan hit the scene in 2007 and has released nine albums. He’s been touring since 2008. Stopping only long enough to record and see his family. George Strait’s tour schedule was even more impressive considering he had been touring since 1981. His music changed/evolved over that time but it is still the same.

What is considered country music has changed because the age of the listener has changed. Elvis Presley may have been the King of Rock-n-Roll but you won’t hear his music on the rock or even pop stations unless it is a rare throwback nostalgia day. His music is a regular on country stations and playlists. The era of Loretta Lynn and Patsy Cline ruled the airways and set a generational change and led up to the burning of bras in the late 1960’s, still relevant today, but still sounds like the 1930's.

The listener will find current country music is all over the place. Some of the biggest stars right now are from the South - Tennessee. Georgia, and Florida. You listen to their music but you may easily mistake them for a band from the early years of Molly Hatchet or Allman Brothers. That is because their parents (my age group) raised them listening to those groups. Their music is solid 1970’s Southern Rock. This is also another way country music is different. Brantley Gilbert is a top seller but only tours regionally. His music has not made it into other areas yet.

For the record, true country music fans would find a page on “country music” with a subsection devoted to an individual artist disrespectful. Just because they have had a number ones and big sales does not mean they are considered true Country. Let their stats and accomplishments shine on their individual pages. Country music is subjective but to the country music fans it means staying true to the music. Yes, we are in the age of "cross-overs" but can they sustain the art of country music.

Giving individual contributor’s like Conway Twitty or Taylor Swift could distract the reader from the first thought of “What is Country Music?” Yes, they had the number one songs for a certain amount of time but they do not qualify as fair because we did not have digital distribution through the decades. Unless we are going to embed a equation formula that allows for value data to be updated based on distribution, currency, and global impact, not a fair comparison. This includes Garth Brooks. Legendary, but his impact is considered negative by some because of how it changed country music from the Grand Ole Opry format to stadium status.

I found some information on this page was inaccurate. The decline of country music in the 1960s? That is the years of Conway Twitty, Loretta Lynn, and Porter Wagoner. There was an seismic shift in everything in the 1960's. It would be unfair to describe it as a decline.

Buy focusing on the decades and the different styles of country music (without elaboration) highlighting those specific years we would allow the reader to gain knowledge without overwhelming them.  By using a Learn More feature, We can show the artists who were prominent during each decade, then have links to those individual pages. Using the same feature we can have links to other different types of country. Trying to breakdown styles like Bakersfield Country to a subsection just leads to confusion. Allow the reader to follow that link on as a choice not as a static amount of information they must read through to try and understand the topic.

This would simplify the page but allow the page to be a guide through country music with examples for them to explorer versus a crash course on country music which is overwhelming. Zarilla (talk) 05:36, 10 November 2018 (UTC)Zarilla

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