Talk:Circular reporting
Latest comment: 1 month ago by MichielN in topic NY Times on Hamas example needs more work
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Circular reporting at Silvio Berlusconi? edit
Please take a look at Talk:Silvio Berlusconi/Archive 2#Circular reporting?. -- Checco (talk) 06:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- More than 2,100 news sources on the web now link Berlusconi with the figures of Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya. More than likely, it is a case of circular reporting, caused by an inaccurated edit in Wikipedia. Would it be a good candidate for Circular reporting#Examples on Wikipedia? --Checco (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- The addition of this entry here may itself be a case of circular reporting, with the article talk page about Berlusconi apparently being the only place that mentions the problem. At the very least, we need a reliable source that mentions it, otherwise this is original research! Renerpho (talk) 05:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Checco: The answer to your question is no, at least until the source that was given in the original edit (a 2019 book) is checked. As you said yourself, you had
no chance to check the first given source.
Removing the claim from Wikipedia was probably the right call, but to qualify for circular reporting, there can't be a source that existed before 12 June 2023. Renerpho (talk) 06:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)- The book does not contain the anything to support the details that were added. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:35, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- (IP edit by Renerpho) Thanks, that info was missing. That does indeed make it a case of circular reporting. I can help adding it back to the article in a couple of days, if it hasn't happened by then. 95.222.24.215 (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Still, before that edit, no source on the web connected Berlusconi with the figures of Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya. Now several do (as of now, about 800 Google hits). The information was made in Wikipedia! Thus, it was both original research and circular reporting. --Checco (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- (IP edit by Renerpho) Thanks, that info was missing. That does indeed make it a case of circular reporting. I can help adding it back to the article in a couple of days, if it hasn't happened by then. 95.222.24.215 (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- The book does not contain the anything to support the details that were added. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:35, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Checco: The answer to your question is no, at least until the source that was given in the original edit (a 2019 book) is checked. As you said yourself, you had
- The addition of this entry here may itself be a case of circular reporting, with the article talk page about Berlusconi apparently being the only place that mentions the problem. At the very least, we need a reliable source that mentions it, otherwise this is original research! Renerpho (talk) 05:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
NY Times on Hamas example needs more work edit
While the NY Times reporting on Hamas may be an example of circular reporting, it needs more than an unfinished sentence and an incorrect source (Leyland Cecco reporting for CNN? I don't think so) to be listed here. Also I think the Intercept article (https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/, archived versionhttps://web.archive.org/web/20240229043522/https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/) would be a more appropriate source. I may write something myself and put that back in, but for now I have removed this example.
MichielN (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Upon re-reading the Intercept article, I fail to see how this would be a proper example of circular reporting. It is all about unreliable witnesses and following already debunked stories, but the only thing that comes close to circular reporting is this phrase: "At every turn, when the New York Times reporters ran into obstacles confirming tips, they turned to anonymous Israeli officials or witnesses who’d already been interviewed repeatedly in the press." In my opinion, it is not a very solid example of circular reporting and would not add a lot to the examples already given. MichielN (talk) 12:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)