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Requested move 23 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Centro Atlético Fénix. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 01:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

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C.A. Fénix → C.A. Fénix (Uruguay) – From a discussion at WikiProject Football, there are two clubs, in Uruguay and Argentina with the name CA Fenix - C.A. Fénix and Club Atlético Fénix, although the CA stands for different things (one is Club, the other is Centro). CA Fenix without periods or accents is currently a disambiguation page. Two options were proposed:

• Option 1 - Use initials with country as disambiguator:
  • C.A. Fénix to C.A. Fénix (Uruguay)
  • Club Atlético Fénix to C.A. Fénix (Argentina)

• Option 2 - Use full club name for both:
  • Rename C.A. Fénix as Centro Atlético Fénix
  • Leave as is Club Atlético Fénix

Note Both options involve moving/turning C.A. Fénix into the disambiguation page with current disambiguation page CA Fenix redirected to it as well as CA Fénix (with the accent), which currently redirects to the Uruguayan team, redirected to the DAB as well.

Select Option 1 or Option 2 RedPatchBoy (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinging editors from the discussion: @GiantSnowman:, @Stevie fae Scotland:, @REDMAN 2019:, @Matthew hk:, @Nehme1499:

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. RedPatchBoy (talk) 22:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support option 1 - upon reflection, I think the country name will assist with navigation, as the full names are too similar and could get easily confused. I also suggest that the disambiguation page at CA Fenix is moved to C.A. Fénix. GiantSnowman 22:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support option 2, per convention of naming South American clubs with their full names (Club Atlético River Plate, Club Atlético Vélez Sarsfield, Club Atlético Lanús). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 22:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

That is not an established naming convention in South America (Santos FC, All Boys which misses it completely, vast majority of clubs in Category:Football clubs in Uruguay etc.) and is contrary to the standard conventions we use for the rest of the world. GiantSnowman 11:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

• Option 2 My rationale is located at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#C.A. Fénix. Matthew hk (talk) 13:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Note: Said rationale has now been archived to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 138#C.A. Fénix. -2pou (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
• Option 1 per GiantSnowman. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
• Option 2 The full names are different so these act as a natural disambigation per WP:ATDAB. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Just to quote WP:ATDAB, Parenthetical disambiguation, i.e. adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name: Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title (my emphasis). Naturally disambiguating these pages using the clubs' full names rather than their common names gives two optimal article titles in this instance so parenthetical disambiguation is unnecessary. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 20:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

• Option 1 The clubs themselves each refer to themselves as CA Fenix see here and here, so I'll go with that. RedPatchBoy (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Since this is currently at a standstill, I'm going to bring up this past rename request just for some added info. In that one, the option to use the full club name (for clubs with different words for the initials) received no votes. RedPatchBoy (talk) 02:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

• Difficult. But I'd go for Option 2.
  • What the clubs call themselves is almost irrelevant. That's primary sources and official names.
  • I'm inclined to go for the full names, Option 2, and cite wp:IAR to just say that makes the articles look better, at no cost.
  • Policywise, I think Option 2 has it too, as a natural disambiguation. (I was at first of the opposite opinion, hence the mention of IAR, but on reflection I think natural disambiguation swings it.)
  • Whichever way we go, there should be redirects from the suggestions of the other option to the particular clubs.
  • Whichever way we go, there should be redirects from all forms of CA Fenix to a DAB such as currently at CA Fenix.
  • Where that DAB ends up is completely irrelevant.
  • And as no consensus either way is likely, I'll invoke Andrew's Principle and suggest we move on. Andrewa (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support Option 2 per the arguments made. It's a WP:NATURALDIS and the parentheticals will serve as excellent redirects. -2pou (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.