Talk:Caste system in Nepal

Kurmi This article is about the Hindu agricultural community. For the people of Greater Jharkhand, see Kudumi Mahato. For the district in Nigeria, see Kurmi, Nigeria. The Kurmi is a Hindu agricultural caste part of the Kshatriya varṇa in South Asia (India and Nepal).[11]

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Regarding Present Condition

The section "Present Condition" is in a terrible state of disrepair. For the time being I've simply removed it. It used to read... "In present day context, the caste system falls under Hindu varna system i.e., Brahmin, Kshatri, Vysya and Shudra respectively instead of following Muluki Ain's codification. Also many Tibeto Burman ethnic groups do not follow the caste system because they have their own culture, tradition, religion and values which do not fall under the caste system. (Absolutely false! Whoever wrote this has not done any actual studies, but just presented his/her own biased views. Please read internationally recognized research materials before putting polemic information about 'Nepalese caste system' in Wikipedia.)" The parenthetical statement is not very useful and is in pretty bad wiki-form, but it was so vehement that a simple "citation needed" seemed a little weak. I'm no expert in the Nepalese caste system, but until this section can get sorted out one way or another perhaps it's best simply not to have it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.188.3 (talk) 01:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

GOCEreviewed

The "copy edit" tag has been removed from this article for now, because the other tags, the unresolved proposal to merge with Ethnicity and caste in Nepal and the existence of an empty section imply that significant changes are needed to the article's content. It is not worth while to copy edit content that is likely to change. Once the other issues are resolved, please feel free to tag the article for copy editing again. --Stfg (talk) 11:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I fully agree for the merger.Both are basically same. However the other article is so vague with such unsourced information! that someone needs to give a lot of dedicated tome to merge it with this one. HasperHunter (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, after viewing the other article, it looks way more clear, correct and to the point. Only some sections to be introduced in it!HasperHunter (talk) 03:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Major rewording and rearrangement needed!

Requesting contributions from every knowledgeable wikipedians for this article. The article is long enough however, there is a lot of wrong words, phrases, sentences in use. Please help. Do not forget to put your citations as any claim without proper reference will not be considered a wikipedia information and will simply violate WP:POV. HasperHunter (talk) 03:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Simplistic

Apart from the need to improve the copy, the article requires major rewriting. It is very simplistic as if the surnames mentioned in the article represent the entire Nepalese population. They only represent the Khas people. The article would need to be broken down into the caste systems of different ethnic groups/communities, and each of them linked a main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.166.200.85 (talk) 12:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Documentation

There is a documentary film on this topic. Before I heard about it I'd always been made believe there were untouchables only in India where they seemed to dwell in huge slums, destilling illegal alcocol and whatnot. Obviously there are untouchables in India's neighbour countries too and some of them don't enjoy the solace of being members of a big community. Some untouchables are in addition to their other inherited issues even loners: Life of a lonely Untouchable in Nepal If a film like that is ignored, how can you expect other people to invest more time into this topic? NordhornerII (talk) I am not a number! I am a Nordhorner. 15:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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now you will not find this caste system in nepal. New generation has realised and understood the human value and changed this culture.

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2017

Sureshupadhaya (talk) 13:07, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2018

please move "Silwal(सिलवाल)" from the list of "Family names of the Khas-Kshatriya (Chhetri and Thakuri)" to the list of "Family names of the Hill Brahmin (Bahun)" Silwalachyut (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ToThAc (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2018

Add bista in Brahmin and Bhandari in Kshyatria Bidurdunlop (talk) 06:48, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor 11:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

grave error regarding, kurmi kshatriya being wrongly placed under "sudra

Grave error regarding "KURMI KHASTRIYA" caste from Nepal, being wrongly placed under "SHUDRA Hello Mr. Matthew Vanitas , i would like to point out a grave error regarding description of "KURMI KHASTRIYA" caste migrated from India, being wrongly placed under "SHUDRA" on the relevant Wikipedia page , which is putting up a question mark on the authenticity and correctness of data available on Wikipedia.

It is well known fact that Kurmis are Kshatriya, if Kurmis are not khsatriyas & they ae Shudras, then why isnt Kurmi as a caste is placed under the group Sheduled Caste(under which all Shudras are placed)by the Govt. of Nepal with accompanying reservation facility to them.

Hence kindly review the matter at your end and purge this grave error at the earliest, so that a good site like Wikipedia doesnt loose its authenticity in the eyes of billions of KURMI KHASTRIYAS, whose sensibilities are being hurt by this grave error And all kurmi of nepal are origin of India.

Thanking you

A Well wisher of Wikipedia —Preceding — Preceding unsigned comment added by Endrashan chaudhary (talk • contribs) 11:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

kurmi kshatriya in india then how kurmi is sudra or untouchable in nepal as they are migrated from India and Indian origin

In Wikipedia, kurmi caste in India ~kurmi are kshatriya then how in Wikipedia, kurmi caste in nepal are sudra, change your mistake or remove it from Wikipedia you can't hurt as big kurmi Community like this, do more research if not agree — Preceding unsigned comment added by Endrashan chaudhary (talk • contribs) 11:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

change your mistake as fast as possible, regarding kurmi Kurmi are kshatriya not sudra

You should research more about kurmi in nepal and their origin and how they belong to kshatriya, if u search India results of kurmi then you find actual because nepali all kurmi are Indian origin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Endrashan chaudhary (talk • contribs) 12:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Kurmi koeri are kshatriya caste 2400:1A00:B1E0:2AFA:4D10:F4D7:A567:FB4C (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2022

Allow me for edits! Wordpress5 (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Kushwaha

its a vedic kshatriya caste..you should put in top and bhumihar and kayastha in terai has no varna you have put them at top its wrong plz modify 2400:1A00:B1E0:2AFA:4D10:F4D7:A567:FB4C (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Are you Stupid ?? Not knowing the history of the real caste system you are listing out randomly

Caste Kalwar - twice born Vaishya Group Sahu/ Mahajans with the great history ( first read the history ) and then list out the caste into categories. Who the hell are you ?? 217.93.255.212 (talk) 02:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Caste Kalwar Vaishya Group twice born ( Generation of Lord Balarama )

Kalwar - Vaishya Group ( twice born ) ( Vyahut Kalwar/ Jaiswal ) First Read the history " Who the hell gave you right to list out our caste randomly without knowing the facts ??!!!" 217.93.255.212 (talk) 02:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Why the newars outlisted from scared wear caste ? 103.162.13.76 (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2024

Please change the classification of Teli as previously untouchable. They belong to Vaishya Caste. here's is the link to the source that states their varna as vaishya https://dhsprogram.com/pubs/pdf/FA58/FA58.pdf https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/18229/NP SnehaPokharel (talk) 15:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 20:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2024

Remove the entire Overview section.

Everything in it needs citation as is extremely controversial and reductive. What is written here are clear and recognised talking points by upper-caste people who deny caste discrimination and the Brahmanical ideological roots of casteism. Argo IN (talk) 12:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Also Courtesy ping: Piruty Pipaty, who added the section. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)