Talk:Carl Raswan

Raswan translation

I'll work through it, but this will take some time. I advise you to improve referencing and encyclopedic style. Wandalstouring (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree on all you say, but what I am after is making sure I at least have a proper translation. I used Google and a dictionary for what's there now, but certain sections, like where Raswan met the prince on an Arabian, I couldn't completely decipher the bit about the horse and the pond that's in the German, so left it out altogether. If you can just skim the two side-by-side and fix anything obvious, adding in stuff omitted, I will be glad to then start cleanup on the rest from English sources. I'm reluctant to change too much until that happens because I want it to be easy to compare the two... The author of the German article appeared to know what they were talking about, so while the article is too flowery and suffers other infirmities, it is a sound base from which to improve. Montanabw^(talk) 22:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

"His school holidays Carl Raswan spent with his pony, often(the German is ambigous, it can mean he often spent it with his pony or often at his uncle's, I decided for the later) at his uncle's Bernard Schmidt, who had the postion of leading forest ranger("Oberforstrat" is someone leading a group of foresters, not woodcutters, the time is a transition when foresting became a subject in universities) in the forester's lodge Kreyern in Spitzgrund. During one of these visits Carl Raswan observed the young Prince Ernst-Heinrich von(of, however, this is part of the name) Wettin (Wettin, the royal house of Saxony) who was riding with his Arabian white horse (gray is unlikely for the time, but German has only one word for gray horse and white horse, portraits show white horses), that he had gained from the Hungarian king (there was no Hungarian king at that time, the ruler of Hungary was king of Hungary and Emperor of Austria, short k.u.k. monarchy), around the castle's pond of Moritzburg (the German is ambigous, there can be a castle called Moritzburg or a settlement called Moritzburg with a castle). The white horse was probably a Shagya-Arabian and Carl Raswan watched how the horse recognized its own reflection in the water and played with it. This event inspired his interest in the Arabian horse and was a key experience for the further life of Carl Raswan."

"On his way home Carl Raswan experienced the October Revolution in Warsaw (that's wrong, Warsaw was occupied by German troops and thoroughly Polish. The October Revolution was an affair in the unoccupied parts of the Russian Empire and instead of joining the Revolution, the Poles split from this Empire a.s.a.p.) before he arrived, totally emaciated through the hardships, in Dresden." Wandalstouring (talk) 09:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Be warned. I'm drowning in wiki and rl work, so it will take quite long. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Correction

Article mentions the stallion Jadaan. Jadaan was not imported to America and had nothing to do with Lady Wentworth. He was born in Massachusetts in 1916. His sire and all horses on his dam's side were imported directly to America from the desert by Homer Davenport. Jadaan was at Kellogg's ranch in Pomona -- Kellogg also had many Crabbet/Wentworth Arabians -- and he was recommended to Rasawn as being a good mount for Valentino. Raswan rode the stallion in The Son of the Shiek, as did Valentino. After Valentino's death, Jadaan became very famous as a symbol of the death of the movie star and repeatedly toured the country and participated in parades. His lineage is very well established. ShirinS (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Good point, removed the incorrect material. Found some sources, could not fully verify the story of Raswan "recommending " him (though Cal Poly has a bit hinting that, obviously, someone had to OK it, though it sounds like Valentino was the motivating force...), but clearly he rode as a stunt double. However, the article is about Carl Raswan, not Jadaan (grin) (though I suppose someone could write an article about Jadaan too...) so I toned down some of the material on the horse. Montanabw^(talk) 18:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)