Talk:Canadian Coast Guard

New Commissioner

http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/eng/CCG/Who_We_Are

Jody Thomas became the first female Commissioner of the CCG on January 2015. How do you edit the details in the overview box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjserson (talk • contribs) 16:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Too long

I noticed this is tagged as too long, and frankly I agree, but there's nothing in here justifying it or offering solutions.

I think personally that the seemingly endless lists make the page much too long and daunting, and could probably be split into separate articles ("Bases of the Canadian Coast Guard", "Ships of the Canadian Coast Guard", etc.). Other than that, the article doesn't seem too bad length-wise. --djbon2112 69.157.33.153 (talk) 22:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The section:

"During the mid-1980s at a time of increased nationalism following the blatant 1985 violation of Canadian sovereignty in the Northwest Passage by the USCGC Polar Sea, the Conservative administration of Brian Mulroney announced plans to build several enormous icebreakers, the Polar 8 class which would be used primarily for sovereignty patrols."

is written from a Canadian perspective. The United States has maintained for decades that the Northwest Passage is part of the "high seas" and should be treated as such - similar to the Strait of Gibraltar, the Danish Straits (some of which pass betwen only Danish territory), the English Channel, tte Corfu Channel, and the Straits of Malacca - open to free passage by all and not subject to control by one power.

I think this section should be written in more neutral language to reflect the existence of alternate points of view.

One possible might be: "During the mid-1980s, the long-standing but polite disagreement between the U.S. and Canada over the legal status of the Northwest Passage came to a head after the passage of the USCGC Polar Sea through the Passage in what were asserted by Canada to be Canadian waters and by the U.S. to be international waters. During the period of increased nationalism that followed this event, the Conservative administration of ...."

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e1/53180.htm

https://www.westga.edu/~canconf/Charron.htm

Images -- most of these images have tags that are no longer valid

Most of the images on this article are from the DFO's Canadian Coast Guard web-site. The DFO allows their images to be re-used conditionally. The two conditions are:

1. Non-commercial
2. Credit given
3. No misrepresentation

Apparently, after internal discussion, it has been decided that the tags applied to these DFO images are no longer valid. Thos images may be deleted any time now.

Some other images were tagged as {PD-Self}. And another skeptical wikipedian accused the uploader of {copyvio}. Personally, I think the accuser went too far -- they accused the uploader without providing any substantiation.

So, is there another, newer tag, that would allow these images to be retained?

I used google to look for some images of CCG vessels and aircraft that would be tagged with {PD-USGov}. I found some, from joint operations. So, if those that we have been warned will be deleted are deleted, we won't be left without any images whatsoever. They aren't as good as the earlier images.

We should keep planning ahead, and looking for new images. -- Geo Swan 15:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Images with liscenses that have been challenged

If everything goes according to plan these images will be deleted.

1. Image:CCGS Louis S. St-Laurent.jpg
2. Image:Ccgs henry larsen.jpg
3. Image:Ccgv2.jpg
4. Image:CCGS Bartlett.jpg
5. Image:Grenfell&Corm.jpg
6. Image:Dartmouth coast guard base.jpg
7. Image:CCG Base Quebec.gif
8. Image:CCG Base Amherstburg.jpg
9. Image:CCGS TERRY FOX.jpg
10. Image:FOX KALVIK.gif
11. Image:Ccgv3.jpg
12. Image:CCGS Henry Larsen 1.jpg
13. Image:CCGS Amundsen.jpg
14. Image:CCGS Louis S. St. Laurent 2.jpg
15. Image:CCGS Sir William Alexander.png
16. Image:ViewVesselImgsrc.jpg
17. Image:Medium Gulf River Icebreaker.jpg
18. Image:Light Icebreaker - Major Navaids Tender.jpg
19. Image:Medium Navaids Tender - Light Icebreaker.jpg
20. Image:Ice Strengthened Medium Navaids Tender.jpg
21. Image:Offshore Ice Strength Multi Patrol Vessel.jpg
22. Image:Offshore Multi Task Patrol Vessel.jpg
23. Image:Inshore Fisheries Research.jpg
24. Image:Inshore Research & Survey.jpg
25. Image:Coastal Research & Survey.jpg
26. Image:Small Navaids Tender.jpg
27. Image:Special River Navaids Tender.jpg
28. Image:Intermediate Multi Task (Patrol) Cutter.jpg
29. Image:Small Multi Task Ice Strengthened Cutter.jpg
30. Image:Small Multi Task Cutter.jpg
31. Image:Multi Task Lifeboat.jpg
32. Image:Multi Task High Endurance Lifeboat.jpg
33. Image:Multi Task Medium Endurance Lifeboat.jpg
34. Image:Inshore Multi Task Patrol Vessel.gif
35. Image:SWATH Survey & Sounding.jpg
36. Image:Multi Hulled Survey & Sounding.jpg
37. Image:Small Multi Task Utility Craft.jpg
38. Image:Small Inshore Navaids Tender.jpg
39. Image:CCG Beech Super King Air 200.jpg
40. Image:CCG Dash 8.jpg
41. Image:CCGS Labrador.gif
42. Image:CCGS Leonard J Cowley.jpg
43. Image:CCGS Cygnus.jpg
44. Image:CCGS Cape Roger.jpg
45. Image:CCGS Amundsen.jpg
46. Image:RISLEY-2.JPG
47. Image:Offshore Research & Survey.jpg
48. Image:Canadian Coast guard Sea King.jpg
49. Image:Canadian Coast guard Bell 206.jpg
50. Image:Ccgh1.jpg

Images with liscenses that are OK -- so far

Here are the images with tags that have not been challenged

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  Image:Hudson03.jpg
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  Image:CCG Helicopter.jpg
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  Image:Ice Station Zebra and CCGC Des Grosieleur.jpg
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  Image:CCGC Wilfrid Laurier.jpg
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  Image:Coastguard Flag of Canada.svg
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  Image:Louis 600.jpg
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  Image:Creed2.jpg
• 
  Image:C-GCHT Canadian Coast Guard - Bell 212 (B212) 01.JPG
• Image:Canadian Coast Guard Bell 206.jpg
  Image:Canadian Coast Guard Bell 206.jpg
• Image:Henry larsen.jpg
  Image:Henry larsen.jpg
• Image:RV John P. Tully.gif
  Image:RV John P. Tully.gif
• 
  Image:Johnptully.jpg
• 
  Image:Argo-canada-0609-2001c.jpg
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  Image:CCGS John P. Tully 3.jpg
• File:Des Groseilliers 21194 xl.jpg
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  Image:Desgros2.jpg
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  Image:CCGV Parizeau.jpg
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  Image:CCGS Hudson2.gif
• 
  Image:CCGS Sir Wilfrid Laurier.jpg
• Image:Des Groseilliers 21194 xl.jpg
  Image:Des Groseilliers 21194 xl.jpg
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  Image:Desgros2.jpg
• 
  Image:CCGV Alfred Needler-640.jpg
• 
  Image:CCGV W.E. Ricker.jpg
• 
  Image:CCGV Revisor.jpg
• 
  Image:USEPA RV Lake Guardian - RV Limnos.jpg

These two images look identical, but have different websites, with different liscenses, and different resolutions

• File:Henry larsen.jpg
• File:Ccgs henry larsen.jpg

Finding new images

I've exchanged some comments with a wikipedian who tagged most of the DFO images the CCG article were using with a tag that suggested they would soon be removed. I will regret the disappearance of those images. But I think the wikipedian who tagged them was correct,

Someone asked me if I thought we could find another liscence that those images could be classified, that would allow us to keep them.

Rather than putting my response on their talk page I thought I would respond here...

I am not really an expert on liscenses, I am just an amateur. In my amateur understanding he is correct -- the DFO and the DND liscenses impose restrictions on those who re-use the images, The wikipedia's use of the images is not commercial. But we can't police those who download and re-use images they found on our site. I regret the loss of those images as much as you do. But I think we have to grit our teeth, and look for alternate images. Did you see I found a bunch of PD images of CCG vessels by restricting my google searches to the ".mil" and ".gov" domains? Pictures taken by US federal employees, as part of their duties, are generally in the public domain. Unfortunately most of those US images are inferior to the DFO images.

Our only hope of using the DFO and DND images Denniss flagged would be to convince the ministries to alter the permissions they offered on their web-site, to remove the unrealistic restriction that we try to control how our end-users use the image. Realistically they can't control how their end-users use their images. I recognized several images of CCG vessels, used, without credit or attribution, on the US sites where end-users could reasonably assume all uncredited images were PD, were duplicates of pictures on the DFO site. -- Geo Swan 06:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Procurement

I have updated the Procurement section. I have inserted references that direct to the Canadian Public Works and Government Services page of the Canadian Government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.69.183 (talk) 13:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

MILHIST banner?

G'day, I do a bit of work looking at articles with MILHIST banners, and am wondering on what basis this article is considered part of the wikiproject? The CCG appears to be a completely unarmed and civilian organisation. Could someone shed some light? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

You're right, the CCG is not a military force, it doesn't belong to the Canadian Forces and really it doesn't belong to the MILHIST wikiproject. It's closer in role to HM Coastguard than the USCG. McMuff (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

File:Rescue exercise RCA 2012.jpg to appear as POTD soon

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Picture of the day

A rescue exercise being undertaken by the Royal Canadian Air Force and the Canadian Coast Guard. Formed in 1962, the Canadian Coast Guard is a Special Operating Agency within Fisheries and Oceans Canada. It is headquartered in Ottawa, Ontario. Unlike some other coast guard organizations, it does not have naval or law enforcement responsibilities.Photograph: Antoine Letarte

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