Talk:Cambiamo!

Article's name

I moved the page to the original name, "Cambiamo" because the correct translation is "We change" and the Italian name seems to me better, like the Spanish "Podemos". --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Actually, as the party is named Cambiamo!, the translation would be "Let's Change!".

@User:Autospark, User:Nick.mon, User:Ritchie92, User:Scia Della Cometa: Ideas? --Checco (talk) 07:44, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Effectively the English translation is "Let's Change!", but as title of the page I would keep "Cambiamo" or "Cambiamo!".--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 07:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I always side with English language: "Let's Change!" has my preference. --Checco (talk) 07:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The sources (well, one source) that focus on this new movement do not have the exclamation mark in the name. Can we first clarify the Italian name and then decide? --Ritchie92 (talk) 08:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Toti announced his new party on his Facebook account, calling it simply "Cambiamo" (here), however the logo contains the exclamation mark. I sincerly don't know which is the correct name... -- Nick.mon (talk) 08:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The logo clearly reads Cambiamo!, that is "Let's Change!". --Checco (talk) 06:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The logo doesn't need to be the official name of the parties, we know that already. Otherwise the Italian Socialist Party should be officially called PSI in the title. And there are more examples. --Ritchie92 (talk) 08:57, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a good point. But, in this case, Cambiamo! is clearly the official name. Let's wait, anyway. --Checco (talk) 06:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

If you have the source to prove it, we can use it. Otherwise for what I know, Cambiamo without exclamation mark is how it's called in the news and by the founder himself. Regarding the translation, either with or without exclamation mark it should be Let's change(!) or Change(!) (the latter I find catchier). --Ritchie92 (talk) 07:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

While there is not clarity on the exclamation mark yet, clearly "Let's Change" is the most correct translation.

Shall we move the article? --Checco (talk) 06:00, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

ANSA does not translate it. --Ritchie92 (talk) 07:50, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

It's better the Italian name as title of this page, however I would be willing to move the page to "Cambiamo!". --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 07:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

In en.Wikipedia we translate party names in most cases. This case is simple. --Checco (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Additionally, taking a look to Google, "Let's Change" is clearly the most common translation. It is such an undoubtely correct translation that I do not see any obstacle in moving the article to its correct English name, "Let's Change". --Checco (talk) 07:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Personally I prefer "Cambiamo!", and however the translation of the names in most cases is not a valid reason, since there is, as I have already said, an Italian title for an important political party with a consolidated English name, therefore each case must be assessed on its own.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 11:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

In case it's translated I would obviously go for "Let's Change!" with an exclamation mark, per consistency. --Ritchie92 (talk) 10:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Color

Orange is already widely used by the democratif party, and now Italia Viva as well, and so strongly associated with left wing in Italy. It may be better to use here the blue part of the logo for the color of the party. --Aréat (talk) 22:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. Orange is the colour. Just take a look to Google. Maybe, we can find a different variety of orange. --Checco (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Cambiamo! vs Italy at the Centre

Recently in both Coraggio Italia and Cambiamo! page edits I noticed that most editors doesn't really know how to handle the birth of Italy at the Centre. I collected some informations (only in Italian) in order to understand what to do, since there will be soon a new group at the Senate of the Republic named after Italy at the Centre. If you find any incorrection or if you'd like to add something else, you're welcome to help the discussion.

What we know so far:

• On February 22 the sub-group at the Senate called IDeA-Cambiamo!-Europeanists-Us of the Centre(Us Campanians) was renamed adding Italy at the Centre at the beginning of the sub-group name;
• On March a press release from Brugnaro, Toti, Marin and Quagliariello announced a federation between Italy at the Centre and Coraggio Italia. I want to highlight the phrase in which they stated that «the two parties will have again their own autonomy and different party representative bodies». That could mean the end of the relationship that was in place from 2021 between Coraggio Italia and Cambiamo! since they used the word nuovamente/again;
• On April, in the website of Coraggio Italia they announced a reorganization of the party (note: in the press release it was mentioned only one of the three vicepresidents, Marco Marin, while the other two were Toti and Quagliarello, which could mean they left Coraggio Italia);
• In May a new provisional statute was approved, and they appointed the regional coordinators and a Secretariat. They also suggested that the party will be organized like a federation, it's unclear for me whether the federation will be like the first phase of More Europe or something else;
• As of May 28, the statute was still not published to the Register of Political Parties (an important condition in order to be a full-fledged party), and thus Italy at the Center is absent from the table of political parties admitted to the benefit of the 2‰ of IRPEF.

As we can't read the statute (which it would definitely help us), and according to the information gathered here, I think that we're speaking about a new party - or, likely, a federation of parties. But I don't know whether should we make a new page about it or rather should we include Italy at the Centre in the Cambiamo! article since they are both led by the same leader, apart from the other parties joining Italy at the Centre like IDeA and Us of the Centre (I don't know if Europeanists joined IaC as well).

Let me know your opinion on the matter. Cheers.

@User:Civiltalatina, User:Eddy world, User:Impru20, User:Nick.mon, User:Ritchie92, User:Scia Della Cometa, User:Checco, User:Facquis, User:Moondragon21 --Broncoviz (talk) 13:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your work and the information you gathered, @User:Broncoviz! There is a lot of confusion around Cambiamo!, Italy to the Centre and Coraggio Italia. Especially, it is not clear who is part of which party/organisation. For instance, Marin seemed very close to Brugnaro, but lately partecipated in meeting with Italy to the Centre. Anyway, I would start a new article since Italy to the Centre is a different organisation from Cambiamo! (whose future is totally unclear). --Checco (talk) 13:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

You made a very good summary of the situation. So far the situation is not very clear, just as the relations between Coraggio Italia, Cambiamo, IDeA and Italia al Centro are not clear, at the moment we only know that IAC is a component of the mixed group in the Senate (it could in the future become a parliamentary group ) and that it will present its own lists at the next municipal elections. Currently we can only wait for the nature of IAC to become clearer, there are no requirements to create a new page now, but I presume there will be more information on this in the near future.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

In the meantime, we could create a redirect from Italy at the Centre to Cambiamo!, with a new section in the main page about the new party/group. Broncoviz (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)