Talk:Black knight

Cleanup

I cleaned up a few of the spelling and grammatical errors in the article. Gmrx 23:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Darth Vader can not, in any sense, be considered a black night. Essential to the black night label is service to no leige. Mr. Vader was in the service of the emporer. That reference should be removed.

I agree. However, it has been changed. Darth Vader is more of a Dark Knight than a Black Knight. Maybe switching the wording around would help? Knight45 9:55, 30 August 2006

Article is contradictory. Says black knights are black because they do not want (or have) affiliation with a liege. Later, it says that they're black because they don't want their armor to rust.

No, see, they paint their armor black to prevent rust because they have no pages, and they have no pages because they have no known affiliation with a liege. It makes perfect sense. CaptHayfever 19:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

the article lists more then one reason for why black knights blacken their armor, how is it contradictory? How would having no affiliation with a liege and also not wanted armor to rust contradictory? Lol. Also, what's the deal with the addition on Dark Knights, it seems out of place in the article and like it was taken from a certain story, not based on a wide view of Dark Knights. 1337wesm 01:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)he killed many people.

Sources

hi Some historical evidence and source citation ought to be included in this article (if there is any) --M.J.Stanham 20:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

How has this artical not been deleted? It is 100% original research and opinion, theres no actual basis for black knights being grouped together. Theres the original Arthurian version, and then theres some instances of work obviously derived from that original, in Ivanhoe and Age of Empires for instance. Theres no evidence to suggest landless and liegeless knights called themselves Black Knights.

Another good point just showed up on TV, the stupid Black Knight movie with Martin Lawrence has character called the Black Knight in it who is described as serving only justice and is on the service of the Queen. Not a piece of great literature but theres no reason why it should not count. Ivanhoe can also be considered historically inaccurate (infact the forward in my copy admits that it is, and I believe that was written by the author Sir Walter Scott). Furthermore, while it this cites Richard as being a black knight in Ivanhoe, he was not a liegeless knight in Ivanhoe, he was a king, he was his own liege. Also I seem to recall the Black Knight of legend being appointed by someone (God usually) to guard the bridge or whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 04:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes it to something more related to reality. In addition, for whoever thinks that a knight without a leige or lands is a black knight, or that a black knight is like a ronin, you are think of Knight-errants, those are the wandering knight dudes. And I'm not sure on the whole deleting Project Tags thing so someone might want to work on getting rid of the Biography thing how ever you do that properly, see as this and the previous version didn't even vaguely come close to being a biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 05:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe this nonsense has stood unchallenged for years. Worse, it was "challeneged" by Afd, two people voted "keep" and then did nothing. --dab (𒁳) 20:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Merging with Knight

• Oppose merge Given the recently closed AfD I think it's premature to consider merging it. Personally, when I first saw this topic come up at AfD I thought there was no way there couldn't be any serious literary study of an archetypal character of this magnitude, one whose very name is a household phrase. I personally plan on doing some research on it in the near future. --BlueSquadronRaven 00:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

No this article should NOT be merged with knight or black Knight disambiguation. It is it's own supportive article Ben (talk) 10:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

"Historical Significance" Section

I really can't believe that this completely unsourced and unverifiable information is still present on this page. Well, seeing as how no one has been able to produce any credible sources to prove that the information in this section isn't anything more than original research, I am going to change the content of this section to more accurately reflect the current lack of sources available on the subject matter. –Nahald (talk) 23:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It's funny, I was surprised to see that this article didn't mention the usage that I now see you removed. The practice of concealing one's colors (in my understanding, usually with black cloth) was common in medieval Europe. I'll see if I can dig up some citations (but not today). CRGreathouse (t | c) 18:24, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Pointless "article"

What is the point of this article? Nowhere does it actually define a "black knight" except to say that it isn't a "white knight" and apparently has something unspecified to do with Arthurian legend. The rest of the article is just a rambling list of various things called a "black knight" without many of them seeming to have anything in common, and with no attempt made to correlate these examples. The Black knight (disambiguation) is actually more useful than this. This article should be called under afd again or merged with the disambiguation page. There is nothing encyclopedic or useful about it except to serve as a dumping ground for fancruft and a battleground for edit reversions between people claiming historical significance for the term, and the opposed faction which insists that it doesn't. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 19:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd probably merge Black Knight (Arthurian legend) in to this, have a large section on it, and generally (as pointed out) try to make this into an article rather than a second disambiguation page, which is what it is right now. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

La Vengeance Raguidel

Perhaps the first reference to a 'Black Knight' is around 1210 in La Vengeance Raguidel by Raoul de Houdenc. I'll happily do a plot summary once I've finished reading it. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)