Talk:Bila Tserkva

Adding/integrating translate sections from the Ukrainian original

When I first began editing the article it showed signs of self-promotion and possible wholesale copying. I think the images I have added are good, as are parts of the lede/introduction, and those can mostly be kept, with undoubtedly some edits to the lede. But I can see, even without speaking Ukrainian, that the Ukrainian is far better. In the English version, none of the history includes citations, and some of Ukraine's more recent history is excluded. Moreover, the Ukraine original has nearly 150 citations, and the English has, by contrast, comparatively few. Off-hand, I'd say apart from the history, sections on the city economy, industry, cultural history and current life, politics and recovery from the Bila Tserkva Massacre should all be included. There are likely many other sections that should be added, too. EditGirl99 (talk) 03:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I just came here to say, it would be good if some of the citations can be integrated in the article. In particular, the demographics section says: "*source: Ukrainian wikipedia"... on the chart. I've got to assume the Ukrainian page has an actual citation for the data, and think that it should be added here, even if the citation itself is in Ukrainian. Centerone (talk) 19:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

The history currently depicted in the article is one-sided, includes only the time periods when under foreign occupation. More items on history should be included from the original article (will try to do this time permitting) Engvard (talk) 03:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please do add, update and correct. It's an interesting city, with an interesting history, and the more caring eyes the better, including as Engvard points out history unrelated to foreign invasion — which is an excellent catch! EditGirl99 (talk) 04:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Older comments

There is a mistake on this page. The Ukrainian word "церква" - stands for Orthodox Church. Where as "костьол" is a Catholic church. On the picture - The "white church" of Bila Tserkva - you have the latter one "костьол", but not a "церква" (Tserkva)!! There is a Cotholic community in the city as well as Orthodox, Jewish and other religious communities.

Please amend the picture to represent "церква" - or change the caption under to read "Kostyol", not "Tservka", Although the article is about Bila Tserkva. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BOBAH (talk • contribs).

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Building Photo

AlikFR keeps removing the following image without comment. I finally got him to comment claiming this is not Bila Tserkva, but he provides no evidence. However the original source and Ukrainian Wikipedia and rue.wikipedia (I'm not sure what rue is..) says this is Bila Tserkva. I'm inclined to believe Ukrainian speaking people know what they're talking about. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bila_Tserkva_Synagogue_(B._Vavrou%C5%A1ek).png Centerone (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm Ukranian speaker. Я історик і спеціаліст по українських синагогах. Будь ласка, хто не знає, не позортеся. Є дві Білі Церкви - місто у Київській області і село у Закарпатті у Тячевському районі. Не треба їх змішувати. Дерев'яна синагога була у Закарпатті, а не у місті Біла Церва на Київщині. Я вже давав посилання https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Synagogue_in_Bila_Tserkva,_Tiachiv_Raion там є джерела. AlikFr (talk) 07:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Also note: The existence of the two Bila Tserkvas is made clearer on this page, which lists synagogues by city name: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Synagogues_in_Ukraine_by_city EditGirl99 (talk) 04:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

• The exact translation of the Ukrainian text is: "I am a historian and a specialist in Ukrainian synagogues. Please, those who don't know, don't be ashamed. There are two White Churches - a city in the Kyiv region and a village in Transcarpathia in the Tyachevsky district. Do not mix them. The wooden synagogue was in Transcarpathia, not in the city of Bila Tserva in the Kyiv region. I already gave the link."
• rue.wikipedia is a typo. The address is ru.wikipedia, and it is short for Russia(n).

The commenter is quite correct: There are two Bila Tserkvas in Ukraine: One north and one south, and it is very easy to mix them up, so I would follow his advice.

I do wonder, generally, however, why all of the photos of prominent individuals in Bila Tserkva were removed. EditGirl99 (talk) 04:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Gallery Images

I restored the gallery images because images in Wikipedia articles draw eyes, and generate interest. EditGirl99 (talk) 04:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)