Talk:Ben Wilson (English artist)

Assessment

Hi, I don't think this article is at B class yet as the lead does not adequately summarize the article. I don't think a section should be named "Biography" - the article is the biography. I disagree with the comment by Gmcbjames about the article needing images of artwork because I think it's very unlikely an appropriate non-free use rationale could be found. Hekerui (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. Regarding the intro - the intro summarizes the article and frankly the intro made me want to read further - which is a purpose of an intro. The intro follows the guidelines set forth in: WP:MOSINTRO. Yes, there are some issues, however the article fits the guidelines set forth in WP:BIOGRAPHY/A for a B-class rating - see the six B-Class criteria. Hence I am reinstating the B rating with a NPOV.Gmcbjames (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

As for additional images, Wilson (according to the article) is a public artist - his "chewing gum" work can be used if it has been left in a public space (i.e. a sidewalk) and the person who took the image freely gives use to Wiki Commons or if Wilson gives freely any images of his work to Wiki Commons. Gmcbjames (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, I am concerned Hekerui may be holding this article's lead to a standard higher than required by a B-class rating. For comparison the leads of B-class biography articles see: Ai (poet), Arnold Bax, or Lenny Bruce. Even GA leads are short and to the point, see: Josepha Petrick Kemarre. As for a section title of "Biography," yes it is redundant as the article is a biography, however the choice of words doesn't necessarily mean the article isn't a B-class biography article - a very simple fix and one to be completed on the way to a peer review. I'm still not satisfied with "Biographical details," however I am sure the major contributors to this article will eventually come up with something else for the title of the section. Gmcbjames (talk) 23:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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Media

I'm really sorry – I am running out of time a bit IRL and although I wanted to make a good job of this it's going to be a rush. I think I'm mostly just going to have to say my piece then zoom off for a bit, maybe try to see how it develops, or maybe not. Apologies. Briefly:

• Richosr has wanted to add a link for a documentary, like this, and Serols and I have resisted, at least initially. You can see all this in the revision history here
• Richosr was initially unresponsive and I felt it looked like hostile, perhaps disruptive editing, but actually now we are communicating I think it was just newness. They were never welcomed properly and I've rectified this because I am a great believer in the usefulness of the links in the Welcome message. It is nicer and better for the encyclopaedia if we work together in a friendly and collegiate manner.
• It looks like Richosr potentially has a Conflict of Interest here as they seem to have supplied the website to which they are trying to link. (The Land Beyond website is supplied by Richosoft.) Of course this does not have to be a true COI or disruptive, but it would be very helpful to address it here and clarify it as it can slant things a bit.
• The video trailer is lovely and it would be great to link it somehow, I think, but ...
• The link we have seems weird. It only refers to it as In Development. I've looked round the Land Beyond website and it is not listed as if it were a complete work, only as the trailer.
• Richosr states that "it has been seen on the BBC and ITV" – well that seems to help, but what has? The trailer, or the whole work? If it's been seen, can we have a ref for when/where? I feel that might help.
• The trailer is accessible directly on Vimeo so I am not sure why we need the slightly confusing In Development page – does that help us here?
• I should add that I don't know how to add broadcast material as a "Reliable Source" (linked and capitalized because it's a Term of Art around here!) but maybe Serols does?
• I am worried that the Media Attention section already mentions two documentaries and I am unclear how Richosr's proposed contribution fits in alongside these. Let's be honest, it's a mess there – one film has no link and the other has a link that I could not get working, and, slightly worryingly, seems to have used the same title? Is this two films or one? Are people really that unoriginal? <g> Maybe yes if he's known as that but it doesn't help us a lot.
• Minor point but we don't call him Ben in his article even if we do IRL. It's just too chatty. Wilson, please. I could quote policy on this, but actually you should just trust me.

In summary – just the trailer, or is there a full film? How to cite it? How to get the Media Attention current and coherent, or at least make it clear what is still around, what is a dead link (we tend to mark them not delete them) etc etc. The trailer has great content – Ben and the police, the lawyer etc – and I would love to have a good solid verifiable way forward to make it accessible from the article if we possibly can.

Richosr if replying please use a colon for one level of indent, two for two etc, and sign it at the end using FOUR tildes thus: ~~~~ then it will all work like a charm!

Best wishes to all and apologies for vanishing a bit, DBaK (talk) 11:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello DBaK, thank you for your detailed list, absolutely great. My concerns is, the movie is still in progress. When the movie is done, the link would be acceptable, but not before. Best wishes --Serols (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Outsider artist

It isn’t accurate to describe Ben as an ‘outsider artist’ as he is the son of professional artists and studied art, albeit incompletely, at art college. Outsider art does nor refer to artists outside the mainstream. I propose removing this term and replacing with ‘street artist’ which better describes his work. Mramoeba (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)