Talk:Battle of the Kerch Peninsula

Who is Von Manstein?

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The 46th Infantry Division under General Hans Graf von Sponeck was the only division in a position to be able to block the advance. Von Manstein believed it could contain the landing,

there is a problem here. Did something get deleted?Ryoung122 15:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Intend to get working

I will try to add some additional material and expand the article generally around next week or so, after I gather some more sources. GAB^Hello! 00:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Size of merchant ships

What is the basis for giving the size of merchant vessels in long tons? Displacement is the common measure for naval vessels, but not for civilian ships. Does the cited source actual say long tons or displacement for all of the listed vessels? Kablammo (talk) 22:48, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

It appears that this article equates tonnage of ships to displacement, which is a measure of mass (weight). But tonnage is a measure of volume, not mass, and cannot be converted to units of weight.

At the time, gross register tonnage (grt) and net register tonnage (nrt) were the principal measures of size by which merchant ships were rated. Displacement figures are rarely available for merchant ships and they don’t much matter, as tolls were computed on tonnage, not weight. So when a source lists a merchant ship as x tons, it is not talking about weight, but rather volume. Again, grt cannot be converted to weight.

This is a common error, and was made here, as made evident on the listing of the first merchant ships described in the section addressing air attacks on Soviet shipping:

• Emba is described as a 7,500 long ton transport damaged on 29 January. Uboat.net states it was a tanker of 7,886 tons damaged on that date.[1] and Wikimapia describes the tonnage measure as grt.[2]
• Kommunist is described as a 1,900 long ton transport sunk on 20 February. Wrecksite.eu lists it as 1,941 grt, which ran aground on 23 February.[3]
• Fabritsius is described as 2,434 long tons. Wrecksite states it is 2366 grt.[4]
• Oil tanker Kuybyshev is stated to be 4,629 long tons (4,703 t), sunk on 2 March. Wrecksite.eu lists it as a 4629 grt tanker sunk on that date.[5]
• Georgiy [sic?] Dimitrov is listed as 3,689 long tons. Wrecksite.eu lists Georgi Dimitrov at 2842 grt.[6]

The wrecksite source lists the sources from which their information was obtained, including Lloyd’s Register of Shipping, the principal rating agency.

The solution here is either (a) track down the gross register tonnage of all vessels, and cite them, or (b) follow what I suspect the source says, and simply use “tons”. I favor the latter, as it is the simplest and likely is what is used in the source, which I don’t have. Kablammo (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I have removed units of weight from the descriptions of merchant ships.  Kablammo (talk) 13:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

In a related matter: I have also removed "short tons" from the article as there is no indication that the sources used such a measure. Kablammo (talk) 12:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Further Detail on the Poison Gas

• What was used, is this documented in the sources or does it use the more vague term Poison Gas as well
• Was it Old WW1 Stock of Blistering Agents , or was it Zyklon B, etc
• Minor detail, but i thought i'd ask

--Eric Lotze (talk) 20:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)