Talk:Ballydavid

DAB style

This article has a "disambiguation" section at the end that does not follow any current DAB standard. If this section exists because users "might come here looking for Ballydavid in Cork, or Baile na nGall in Waterford", then the standard DAB practice should be applied. Namely, a DAB header should be added to the top that says:

Baile na nGall and Ballydavid both redirect here. For other uses, see Baile na nGall (DAB) and Ballydavid (DAB)

Alternatively, this article should become a DAB page, and the detail about the Kerry Gaeltacht should be moved to Baile na nGall, County Kerry.

At the moment this article is BOTH a DAB page covering two separate terms, AND an article about a Gaeltacht region in Kerry. The standard is to make it one or the other. Not both. Guliolopez (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Ballynagall → Ballydavid – Although the reference used in the article states Baile na nGall as having two English-language names (Ballynagall and Ballydavid), the first of these is never used to refer to the village, neither in written nor spoken language. This is clearly evident when you Google Ballynagall, Kerry, Ireland, where this page is the only one in the first page of results to use the Ballynagall name. To avoid unnecessary confusion, I think it is prudent to revert to using Ballydavid as the article's name. Manipe (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Support: The preponderance of what I see is for the English Ballydavid. I have a wide range of Irish directories and Irish Post Office Guides mainly from the 20th century on and all of them use the name Ballydavid. A post office was opened there in 1894. Everything in the English language uses the same name though some Irish language publications, such as the 1966 Ainmneacha Geailge na mBailte Poist uses Ballydavid (as the English entry) with a redirect to Ballynagall, the 1989 Gasaitéar na hÉireann (prepared by the Placenames Branch of the Ordnance Survey) gives he Irish name as Baile na nGall with the English equivalent as Ballnagàll and the Statutory Instrument S.I. No. 133 of 1975 Place-Names (Irish Forms) (No. 1) (Postal Towns) Order 1975 which implemented the Placenames Commission and changed many town names in Ireland, such as Nás na Riogh to An Nás and Brí Chualann to Bré to name a few, does not give Ballydvaid but only Ballynagall as English with the equivalent Irish as Baile na nGall. The first publication of Irish town names for the independent state in 1923 issued Liosta d'Oifigí Puist I Saorstát Éireann that gives Baile na nGall with the English Ballydavid. ww2censor (talk) 10:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Support: per WP:COMMONNAME and as stated above, "Ballydavid" is the universal English name for the village. Thus we have the Ballydavid Regatta (Regatta Baile na nGall) NEVER the Ballynagall Regatta [1] [2], and this tourism-reliant area will only be found named in English as Ballydavid on TripAdvisor [3] or the Tourism Ireland website [4] or the All Kerry Tourism website (gokerry.ie) [5] Lozleader (talk) 11:45, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment: Maybe we should be moving it back to the Irish Baile na nGall, which is the only official name and the only name used on roadsigns. It was moved to its current name without discussion. WP:IMOS says that "if the Irish name is official and has gained favor in English, use the official Irish name". Google yields about 206,000 hits for Baile na nGall, 63,500 for Ballydavid and 28,600 for Ballynagall. I tried to exclude Wikipedia and other places with the same name from the search. ~Asarlaí 01:53, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I think the previous point in WP:IMOS is more relevant here, namely "[if] the Irish name is the official name, but has not yet gained favour in English, use the English name". From personal experience (of decades) down there, Ballydavid is by far the most common name used for the town in spoken English, while Baile na nGall is the only name used in spoken Gaeilge. I've rarely heard Baile na nGall being used in spoken English. Manipe (talk) 22:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd say the opposite, I've often heard Baile na nGall in English, and exclusively in Irish, Ballydavid less often in English and never even once Ballynagall. Moving to Baile na nGall would seem the best option.Jeppiz (talk) 00:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm in favour of it being changed back to Baile na nGall, so long as there's a strong enough argument for it, so as that this discussion doesn't have to be revisited in the future. Whatever is chosen, Ballynagall is a no-no! Manipe (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.