Talk:Bakuman

The Uncle's manga

Is it just me or does Bakuman reference Pāman? Luis Dantas (talk) 11:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

It could be a reference to Tottemo! Luckyman, that makes sense. Now it's just Tsugumi Ōba giving it away. But yes it does look a lot like Pāman. – J U M P G U R U @^{Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia} 15:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

External Link

The external link that leads to the French blog violates WP:COPYRIGHT, if I'm linking to the correct policy. The site provides scanlations of the chapters. I'm just so tired of removing it. (P.S. Notified IP about it.) ~ Itzjustdrama? 21:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It is annoying when we have to keep having to erase stuff like that. Although, the link was either there without me noticing or it just got added recently. What this sorta' reminded me of is when I have to keep reverting some IP's cotributions to Tough (manga). He keeps making all the titles in all-caps. : ) — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 21:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I made a correction. "Two earths" wasn't a failure because it was made for a test with an editor, not for winning a competition. --78.13.199.42 (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Manga Series

It is really necessary to list all of the manga series appearing in the manga? (That's an awkward sentence.) ~Itzjustdrama ^{C ?} 18:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Clean-up and Notability

It was mentioned at a discussion at the WikiProject that Bakuman needs to be cleaned-up. I took the liberty and cut quite a lot out. The discussion was about several Jump manga that needed to be checked for notability in order to be kept. This article was one of them. To prevent an AfD, we need to find some reception info. However, I can't find any. ~Itzjustdrama ^{C ?} 00:21, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking about redoing the article, it needs major cleanup. – J U M P G U R U ^{■ask㋐㋜㋗■} 01:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Why was the plot cut down?!? Just because all the other stupid articles have short plot summaries doesn't mean they all should, teh plot section should be a big part of the page. I aslo don't think that the imge should be the first volume, it should be the first Weekly Jump issue that featured it. – J U M P G U R U ^{■ask㋐㋜㋗■} 01:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. I'll revert the plot section to what it was. I won't argue with you on the image. Feel free to change it. But I believe that the image should stay on the chapter list. ~Itzjustdrama ^{C ?} 17:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Prefect, the chapter list it is! I didn't want to destroy such a perfect image... ;_; – J U M P G U R U ^{■ask㋐㋜㋗■} 22:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Pictures up. : D – J U M P G U R U ^{■ask㋐㋜㋗■} 22:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool! It looks great! ~Itzjustdrama ^{C ?} 22:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me, or should this article no longer be tagged with the notability tag? It's be licensed in way more than 2 languages (one of which is now officially English), and it has a fairly sizeable reception section. Both of which are criteria for notability. I didn't take the tag off, but it seems it shouldn't be necessary. 72.147.29.141 (talk) 09:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Chapter names.

Anyone notice the structure of the chapter names?

Like Dreams and Reality, 10 and 2, all of the chapters has pairs in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kakashirinobito (talk • contribs) 11:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Review!

Dun-da-dun! I have found a review of the first volume by ANN (I love those people)! It is found here down at the bottom under "Import of the Month"! However, I, being a lazy person, have not read it yet. In addition, it's adding citations as an IP. Itzjustdrama as 71.167.76.193 (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh. I just found that myself and was coming over to mention it. Yay actual review in English. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

• Mania.com: vol. 1 vol. 2 vol. 3
• iCV2: vol. 1
• ANN: vol. 1
• CWR: vol. 1 vol. 2 vol. 3 vol. 4
• CBB: vol. 1 vol. 2 vol. 3
• GNR: 1
• AA: 2

--KrebMarkt (talk) 13:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Is there a Misa Misa cameo?

in the chapter w/ the pictures of the voice actors is there a picture of Misa Amane to the right? I see a lot of DN refrences like the artist sometimes sits like L anf Hattori looks like Ryuk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.145.156.183 (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Hattori does not like Ryuk at all, not even a resemblance. References to DN? Maybe, since they were drawn by the same artist. Then again maybe not. If the writer also incorporates a reference to DN in Bakuman's story, that would make it definite.--Alphapeta (talk) 05:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

From the fandom: 'Hattori's face (especially his lips and eyes) resemble the character Ryuk from the manga Death Note which is also drawn by Takeshi Obata.' Thewriter006 (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Stub for Character List

Should there be a separate stub for the character list? The number of characters in the manga have increased greatly and to keep adding more characters to the main article would only do to make the page unnecessarily long. I also think some characters (such as Nakai and Hiramaru) shouldn’t be left out of the article itself. I am fairly new at this, so I have not yet learned how to do this myself. Copse (talk) 09:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think there isn't enough out of universe information to support a character list. I think it would be better if we expanded the plot section. That would, in turn (in theory), shorten the character section. I think we should start by trimming the section down. I'll start a draft for the article if you'd like though. ~Itzjustdrama ^{? C} 16:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Missing characters

Sorry to mention this, but the last time i was on this page there were considerable more characters, such as the editors of each mangaka, as well as the cheif editor and Mashiro's uncle and the female lead's (sorry forgot her name) mother. I would like to know why such characters where removed especially as many of them, like the editors, play vital roles in the series and are surely worth recognition. If the articles were simple removed by accident, then please re-submit them. Thank you.--68.52.218.142 (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Somebody has re-entered Miho et al, so this appears resolved. 195.35.160.133 (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC) Martin.

Oops. I misread. Not resolved. 195.35.160.133 (talk) 15:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC) Martin.

The characters were removed because they lacked notability. We are not gonna add every single character, Ex the main characters parents, other parents, assistant editors, etc. DragonZero (talk · contribs) 23:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The character list is already starting to get pretty ridiculous again. I put Aoki and Nakai in because they had an entire plot arc on them, and arguably have had a bigger presence than Fukuda or even Eiji, but unless a character page is forthcoming, it's got to be limited somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooshimanx (talk • contribs) 23:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Meanings of "baku".

At the end of volume 2, the 3 different meanings of the word "baku" are explained. At least in the official German translation already published by Tokyopop Germany. Perhaps someone could add these meanings to the page. Preferably translated directly fom the Japanese volume 2 to English. 195.35.160.133 (talk) 11:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC) Martin.

Bakuman。

Viz Media publishes the title as Bakuman。, with the Japanese period. I propose the article be moved to Bakuman。 for this reason with additional, likely redirects from pages Bakuman and Bakuman. linking there. All agreed? Spindori (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I just noticed that dot in the Kanji title too. DragonZero (talk · contribs) 19:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Let it be so. :) ~Itzjustdrama ^{? C} 19:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Just noting that I moved it back. There's nothing wrong with having the period variations as redirects, but we generally don't use such purely visual typography for article titles unless the work is broadly known exactly that way (see, for example, Wit (play), not located at w;t. As far as I can see, this work is generally referred to as "Bakuman" in English, with the sole exception of the manga volume's copyright page and very stylized cover. I am open to hearing other opinions, though. — Gavia immer (talk) 01:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

From what I know, that's the only places where you can find the word Bakuman. Its a word never mentioned in the story otherwise. The 。 could just be as equally important as the exclamation marks used in Negima! Magister Negi Magi and Zatch Bell!. As for Wit, it just seems that the i is very stylish, and I would not move it to W;T. DragonZero (talk · contribs) 05:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Citation needed again?

While reading through the "Manga" subsection of the article, I noticed a "Citation Needed" tag next to "It has been licensed by Viz Media for English release in the US and Canada", but above in the summary of the series, there's already a citation in regards to the same subject of licensing when Viz announced they were publishing Bakuman at SDCC 2009. Would that second citation in the "Manga" subsection be really necessary if it's already referenced? Or should the same source be referenced again at that particular part of the article? Caterfree10 (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The first volume is already published and available, so it shouldn't really need a separate citation. If one is really needed, it can just be an ISBN linked to Special:Booksources. — Gavia immer (talk) 16:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

English Publishers

Shouldn't the French publisher Kana be deleted from the infobox section that is titled "English Publisher"? Also in the same section, we can't have only the UK flagicon by Shueisha, as their limited online publishing in English can not be allotted to one specific English speaking country. So I think no flagicon should be by Shueisha. Xfansd (talk) 22:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Bakuman → Bakuman. – The official English licensed title for these media (the anime and the manga) prominently features the ideographic period 。 in the title. As the English Wikipedia should avoid using this full width CJK character, I am proposing that this page be moved to the closest QWERTY analog of "Bakuman.". The Anime News Network's coverage of the media (1, 2, 3, et al.) clearly include the full stop as part of the title of the media in the prose (not in the article titles for some reason), indicated by the inclusion of the period in the green coloration of their internal links and as it is not at the end of sentences.

Similarly, the articles List of Bakuman characters, List of Bakuman chapters, and List of Bakuman episodes all be moved to titles that append the period to the word "Bakuman".—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Note a previous similar discussion at Talk:Moe (band). —  AjaxSmack  02:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

• Looks like a stylisation as in "Ke$ha" or "KoЯn" to me. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
  • "Bakuman." is not the same as "Ke$ha" or "KoЯn". I have provided reliable sources that show that they are using "Bakuman." in the middle of a sentence and not at the end of one, and it features the full stop.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose per MOS:TM: "When deciding how to format a trademark, editors should choose among styles already in use (not invent new ones) and choose the style that most closely resembles standard English, regardless of the preference of the trademark owner." Dicklyon (talk) 22:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
  • But "Bakuman." is in use to refer to this subject in reliable sources. Moreso than "Bakuman".—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
    • That was not my impression when I looked at English-language sources, but even if it is, why not do what our style guide suggests? Dicklyon (talk) 03:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
      • What are these sources you found?—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
        • Here's a book and a web site. There are very few English-language secondary sources on this. What have you found with a period? Dicklyon (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
          • These: 1, 2, 3, et al.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME -- what is the common name of this? Wikipedia prefers common names over official names. Anime News Network is a single source, what about others? 76.65.128.132 (talk) 00:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Anime News Network is probably the only source that will discuss this.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Good thing there are many Korean and Japanese third parties, or this would fail notability, with only a single English third party. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, this response of yours just shows that you don't know anything about our policies. Notability is not restricted by the language of the reliable sources you can find. There merely needs to be reliable sources period. The sources could be Tamil, Gilbertese, !Kung, or Cherokee.—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
        • Why? I stated the same thing you just did. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 06:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
          • Why did you bring it up? It's not at all relevant to this discussion.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:21, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
            • Stating it for our audience here, since a single English third party might prompt someone to add a deletion notice. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 08:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:TM. Periods/fullstops in particular. should be avoided as they impede. clear understanding. of English prose. —  AjaxSmack  01:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
  • May I ask why MOS:TM cannot be ignored in this case?—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Exactly why I stated. Periods/fullstops have a very important function in English prose and using them for decoration will often impede clear communication in ways that even heavy metal umlauts and dollar signs will not. As I have noted before, Wikipedia isn't a fan site or even a music encyclopedia (cf. Allmusic). As a general reference, it should preserve general rules of language as much as possible to aid readers who are not familiar with topics. of crs many fun! styles® o' writin' exist but whether its moe. koЯn p!nk or whatever :), we should try to make the text as accessible as possible to a general readership. —  AjaxSmack  02:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
      • But is it decoration if it is part of the title in the original Japanese title? Using "Bakuman." is merely a proper translation and in line with WP:COMMONNAME.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
        • Yes, it is. MOS:TM says to "follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official" because Wikipedia doesn't do official names. Wikipedia also does not use Japanese punctuation or Japanese typographic symbols when rendering titles in English. See also WP:MOS-JA: "Non-language characters (e.g., the star ★, the heart ♥, the wave dash 〜) should never be used in article titles per current policy." —  AjaxSmack  04:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
          • A period isn't really a non-language character. And it's not Japanese puncutation. It's regular English punctuation that appears in common usage in the translated title for this media.—Ryulong (竜龙) 04:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. A period goes at the end of a sentence. Period. Kauffner (talk) 14:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
  • You are ignoring initialisms and abbreviations, so your argument is invalid.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose; MOS:TM is clear and has strong consensus. Powers ^T 01:47, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
  • If the show was "Bakuman!" or "Bakuman?" there would not be an issue. They call it "Bakuman." in all reliable sources I've found, which clearly reflects the common usage.—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:32, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
    • You are mistaken. The only source you've given us is animenewsnetwork.com, and they omit the period when mentioning it in titles; so can we. Dicklyon (talk) 03:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
      • They refer to it in the prose as "Bakuman." and in their internal encyclopedia as "Bakuman.", just not in the titles of their individual articles. And I frankly cannot think of any other English language reliable sources for anime and manga topics. The only other source is the English language publisher, who uses the Japanese ideographic period instead of the standard Unicode full stop.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose This seems to be a clear-cut case of "using special characters that are not pronounced included purely for decoration" that will certainly cause an unnecessary mind-freeze in mid-prose. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
  • How would a period be any different than an exclamation point or a question mark? Working!!, K-On!, Yotsuba&!, and Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? are all valid titles, apparently. So why can't Bakuman. be a valid title as well? This appears to be a double standard.—Ryulong (竜龙) 09:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
• Comment I have taken on the responsibility of examining Anime News Network for its usage of stray periods, while refusing to be distracted by what Yamada did on her first time, or whether Mr. Convenience is in fact pleasant, sweet, and sexy. Yes, I have wallowed in this muck so you, my esteemed fellow editors, don't have to. Here are some headlines from the site:
• "Death Note Creators Confirmed to Launch Bakuman Manga" Did you see a period? I don't see a period.
• "Media Blasters Adds Bakuman Anime with English Dub" Periods are very small and they are not always easy see....Oh I'm sorry it's not there again.
• "Media Blasters Confirms It Licensed Bakuman Season 2"
• "Bakuman x Sket Dance Crossover Anime Episodes Planned"
• "Bakuman Battle Brawlers - RIGHT TURN ONLY!!"

In light of the last headline, I would like to note that although the copyeditor who wrote it is fine with atrocious capitalization, as well as ridiculous multiple exclamation points, even he refuses to sink to the lowest level of degradation by putting a period after Bakuman. Kauffner (talk) 13:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

What the heck is this supposed to prove? The headlines do not include the full stops, but their prose does:

• This year's 36th issue of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine has confirmed on Monday that the Death Note writer/artist team of Tsugumi Ohba and Takeshi Obata are launching a manga called Bakuman. in the next issue, which goes on sale on August 11.

• The North American anime distributor Media Blasters announced on Tuesday that it acquired the Bakuman. television anime series.

• The North American anime distributor Media Blasters confirmed with ANN that its Bakuman. licence includes the second season of the anime.

• The 43rd issue of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine announced on Monday that the Bakuman. anime and Sket Dance anime will collaborate for three crossover episodes.

• This last one is a review and not one of the site's news articles.

(All emphasis mine)

Kauffner, what is your issue with my proposals? What is your issue with me? All I am doing is acting in good faith in changing what I believe to be utter mistakes in the applications of the manuals of style. Do you believe there can be no leeway in the manual of style? Or do you think that I am completely wrong and, as you put it before, a troll?—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Just ask for civility instead of linger around the problem. Anyways those are all ANN. We also have Mania.com using the period along with all caps shown here [1]. So. Along with the official spelling being Bakuman, and two other sites using the period, im going to have to support it.Lucia Black (talk) 18:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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