Talk:American Horror Story: Asylum

Asylum

I'm just wondering if we should still call it American Horror (season 2) but have a header on top saying American Horror Story: Asylum. Similar to List of Heroes episodes. (It also had different titles each season). Thoughts..? Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Support. While I went along with the move to AHS: Asylum (because I was unaware of any similar "anthology" series), it should've been discussed here first, due to frequent editors adding to it. It would be a safe bet that more people would know it by the "second season" than "Asylum". It would also show higher on any search engine, as well. — WylieCoyote (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Oppose. While I think it works either way, it seems pretty official that both Murphy and FX consider the show to be a series of independent anthology miniseries, rather than an continuous series. Look at the Spartacus series, three seasons and a prequel, all with different titles and different articles. They are all part of the same show, yet it's obvious that they are separate things. I'll go along with whatever is decided, but it seems to me that "Asylum" being more than just a subtitle is pretty official and that should be reflected here. It's like subtitles for movie sequels. The first Hunger Games movie was just "The Hunger Games", but the sequel will be "The Hunger Games: Catching Fire". It's not just there to connect it to the first movie, it's there because it's a whole different story with its own themes and characters and scenarios. Just like here. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

That's true, I forgot about Spartacus. For example: Spartacus: Vengeance. — WylieCoyote (talk) 02:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Neutral. In its present form, the article is neither bias or deceptive to either opinion. The final resolve will be dealt by FX and the producers in a press release or scheduling log, the article should obviously be headed by whatever they release as the official title. LiamNolan24 (talk) 00:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

(A similar discussion is here. — WylieCoyote (talk) 02:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC))

The official name is American Horror Story: Asylum - so this must me the lemma for the article. --80.135.175.223 (talk) 22:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Recurring cast

Who says that Adam Levine or Chloë Sevigny aren't part of the main cast this year? They were announced a while back. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 20:50, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

It is not a question of who says, it's a question of, who has said otherwise? There are no reliable sources confirming Sevigny or Levine as main cast. Cheers LiamNolan24 (talk) 21:10, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Moves/re-moves

Would someone please decide the proper place (series attributions) for the episode articles??? Either American Horror Story OR American Horror Story: Asylum. This is why I hate doing episode articles. — WylieCoyote (talk) 20:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

The series is called American Horror Story: Asylum, why shouldn't series attributions reflect that? -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 22:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm just tired of fixing the pages that link to them every time. See this edit history, starting November 3. — WylieCoyote (talk) 02:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Hans Gruber or Grüper?

Could someone actually verify which name is being spoken for Dr. Arden's alter ego? I'm hearing GrOOPer but others are hearing GrOOBer. If you Google the umlauted name, you get this. I think this will inevitably be an edit war and am tempted to remove the name entirely and just use "Nazi war criminal." Thoughts? — WylieCoyote 20121126175655

I am not a German myself, only had obligatory German lessons at school for a couple of years. To my knowledge there's neither such name, nor such word in German language as "Grüper" but "Grüber". Amongs other, e.g. Almuth Grüber, Heinrich Grüber and/or Jacques Grüber are well-known for having the surname [Grüber], which may also be spelled and used as "Grueber" instead. J-B (talk) 20:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, there was also the villain in Die Hard called "Hans Gruber". I was wondering more what is being heard in the show. — WylieCoyote 23:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe "Gruber" is just an American equivalent for German "Grüber" as there's no such vowel as "ü" in English. That would also explain the villain's name in the mentioned film Die Hard transcribed as Hans 'Jack' Gruber in English. Anyway, what I was trying to imply in the first place that the question should be either the Dr. Arden's alter ego is spelled as "Hans Grüber" (respectively "Gruber" in English), or "Hans Grueber" but not "Grüper". As a matter of fact, the consonant "b" may often sound as "p" when pronounced in many German words, so that's why some of us (including me) naturally hear "Grüper" in AHS instead. Guess we will have to wait by the end of the second season of the series hoping the name will be displayed in some of the forthcoming scenes also in a written form. But who knows if Ryan Murphy's German skills don't suck? ,-) J-B (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Ach! Hans Gruber! In the 1985 movie Re-animator based on H.P. Lovecraft's "Herbert West--Reanimator", Herbert West gets expelled from U Zurich Institute of Medicine for bringing his dead professor, Dr. Hans Gruber, back to life in a pre-title sequence (Gruber's eyes explode and he dies, again).--Naaman Brown (talk) 18:51, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Sooo apparently the writers have given nods to several Hans Grubers. I just wish the actors would pronounce it as such. — ^Wylie_Coyote 05:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

in German it is common to pronounce the "B" very sharply, almost as if a "P"76.20.78.46 (talk) 05:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from Germany! I haven't seen the show, but it is probably "Gruber" - that's a very common name here and often used in American TV/movies to give someone an obvious german touch. Gruper, Grüper oder Grüber are very rare (and linguistically unlikely) forms of that name - but that could be different in Austria, something I don't know. Sadly, German Wikipedia doesn't say anything about that issue. --88.69.223.107 (talk) 23:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Last Episode Director/Writer

Somebody out there HAS to be able to finish the list of directors/writers associated with the Episode List...76.20.78.46 (talk) 03:44, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Probably the makers of the should could. The rest of us will have to wait until FX publishes the latest press releases, which hasn't happened yet. Should be some time this week. The information will be added then. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 03:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Plot section

Now that the season's over and we know all that happened, I think we should have a Plot section added, similar to that of season one. I have mentioned on its talk page that I'm getting tired of the edit wars regarding how many episodes the characters X, Y and Z have been in. I think a Plot section should be added and the Cast list merged into it, solving the edit war. I would do it myself but just do not have the time for such a task, as my other Wiki-irons arer burning in the fire. Feel free to use the short summaries here as a guide, as well as the plot from the individual episode articles, but, for sinners' sakes, please keep it short. Thanks. — Wyliepedia 08:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done ! — Wyliepedia 09:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

PAAFTJ awards

The awards are fake, self-established by a Wordpress user. No serious media take them for real or mention them in fact, they should be removed out of the article in the first place. MiewEN (talk) 05:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

The Name Game

The Name Game was released as a single following fans requests, as it is shown here Shouldn't it be on a Single section here, much like the fourth season's? Thank you. Artmanha (talk) 21:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

@Artmanha: Thank you for letting us know, I myself have not been aware of the single has been post-released... I have added the soundrack section to the article. MiewEN (talk) 06:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

LLArrow being disruptive and reverting my edits.

I made some edits to improve the page, but LLArrow is keeping reverting without any reasonable explanation. I removed broken links, that were leading nowhere or to articles that don't exist anymore. I also removed repetitive and unnecessary references, most of them containing the same vague information. I removed editorializing (that IndianBio already made it clear), such as " Kings veteran [...]" and "Emmy Award winner [...]", etc. There were some false info, for example: "Quinto had stated that his new character was sane and very grounded." According to the source, he didn't say this. He said: “He’s much more grounded and in control,” compared to his Murder House character. I included the Freak Show characters part in the second paragraph because it fitted the context, and removed which characters they're reprising because it's redundant, since it's mentioned in the cast list. I only specified the character John Cromwell is portraying because he's not mentioned in this page. So once again, stop reverting my edits, they're justifiable. You're being disruptive and insistent. There's no need to start an edit war. If you bothered by an specific aspect, take this issue to the talk page. Israeldmo (talk) 09:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Season Colour

Here we go again. Ever since the season aired the colour theme has been black. Now, all of a sudden people have decided they don't like it and want to change it to this nonconforming silver/white that is not even allowed to be used, due contrast issues. But yea, people that don't understand the rules of Wikipedia are coming with their bullheaded opinions and attempting to upset the establishment. Let's hash this out. LLArrow (talk) 19:53, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

LLArrow My apologies; I had thought YOU had changed it to black, and the previous color was something else, but you only changed the black to a different black. So this is the IP's responsibility to bring to the talk page, now that it has been reverted. Again, my apologies. Chase (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Apologies not accepted. You have gone above and beyond to make my experience contributing to Wikipedia hell on earth, and I'm not one to take it lightly. You are completely averse to Wikipedia's guidelines and rules and, I believe, a destructive and reckless editor. I for see nothing but conflict in our future. LLArrow (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

With that attitude, absolutely, but that is not what I want. Chase (talk) 20:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I also want to state, the "above and beyond to make [your] experience contributing to Wikipedia hell on earth" that you say I have done, is the same kind of thing you are bringing to other users' experiences. So be mindful of that. I have not done such a thing, and don't ever intend to, but will stand up for other people that are being treated poorly. Chase (talk) 20:13, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I might as well copy/paste what you said as my response. Minus the condescending, holier-than-thou cr@p. Have a great day! LLArrow (talk) 20:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

The black only appeared on the tears of the nun, not the overall poster.47.203.75.226 (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

And now that we've established basic seeing-and-believing skills, what's your rationale for changing the colour after four years? Could it be (*shutter*) your opinion and a non-consensus viewpoint? LLArrow (talk) 20:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

This kind of attitude is exactly what I am referring to. Can you not just have a normal conversation without attacking other users? Chase (talk) 20:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Why did I receive a warning when it should've been LLArrow. Like I said I was just updating the season not doing an edit warring.47.203.75.226 (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Well you received the warning because you are currently at fault. I do have to applaud tenacity here. I'm a great admirer of the quality. LLArrow (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

No you're not. All you do is try to bully other users.47.203.75.226 (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@47.203.75.226: You received a warning because first, you were disrupting the page, and second, you received the WP:3RR because exactly what it states, you were engaged in edit warning and almost went over the limit once, and actually did another time. Regarless of how LLArrow treats other users, you still violated the rules. LLArrow's action are a different matter and have no relevance to the warning you receive. Chase (talk) 21:53, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

LLArrow stating the color cannot be used due to "contrast issues" is false, it's perfectly compliant per Snook.ca. As an uninvolved editor and someone who has no stake in this article (I don't watch the series), I fully support the new color, it's clearly a better color match when basically the entire poster is that color. However, a consensus does need to be made when changing an already established, compliant color. Per MOS:TV, "Once established, colors that meet WP:COLOR should not be changed arbitrarily without discussion (see WP:DEW)". Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:46, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Wrong, the colour is not compliant. Simply due to the fact it does not contrast the lines in the break of episodes. It's barely visible, and appears transparent. The black is highly contrastable, extremely relevant to the poster, and has been uncontested for four years. I fail to see the reasoning behind changing the colour other than bias based opinion. LLArrow (talk) 22:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I also support the new colors. I think it is fair to say that there is a rough consensus for it. Chase (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely not. To change a colour theme that has been in place for four years, needs unequivocal consensus. Besides the new colour would be overturned by an admin in a heartbeat, due to it being non-contrastable, not differentiating between episode spaces. For those of you that have yet to look at it, check out exactly what I'm referring to. The light white/grey is nearly translucent. People that are hard of seeing can not begin to distinguish. LLArrow (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Looks like you're the only editor arguing against it. Between editors, there is consensus. Remember, per WP:CONSENSUS, Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity. This discussion should now be closed and the edits implemented. Alex|The|Whovian^? 03:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Alex are you even paying attention to what I've written?. The colour will not contrast episodes. Look at the example and you tell me if we brought an admin into this they'd approve, because if logic and common sense keep going by the waist side that is exactly what will happen. LLArrow (talk) 03:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

There's nothing that states that the season colours need to contrast each other. WP:COLOR only supports contrasting colours between the text and the background it's on, not between two adjacent colours. I do believe that they would approve, yes. Alex|The|Whovian^? 03:22, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@NeilN: Since you are an admin, would you mind settling this. this new purposed colour scheme is hardly see-able, making it nearly impossible to distinguish between episodes (as the breaker is practically transparent). Is this colour accessible, especially considering readers with poor vision? LLArrow (talk) 03:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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Cast and characters

Because Adam Levine is in the section of recurring ?, if in the series he is credited as guest actor.--Philip J Fry Talk 05:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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