Talk:Alone (i-Ten song)

Split Article

Currently the article is about the Heart song, there should be an article split off for the Celine Dion version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roodngis (talk • contribs) 23:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Appearance in UK Charts in 2012

Please add a reference to this single appearance in the UK Single Chart at 94 in 2012. I don't have the skills. Here is the link – http://www.theofficialcharts.com/search-results-chart/_/2012/2/18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.240.196.238 (talk) 06:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

• Done Ajsmith141 (talk) 07:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

"[The song] is viewed as being exceptionally difficult to sing" Citation Needed

What do you think -- would Christina Aguilera constitute an expert for purposes of citation for the claim that this song is difficult to sing?

If I don't see a convincing negative answer by one week from now (11 July, 2013), I shall add the proposed cite. SteveT (talk) 03:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a good thing you did not add the citation because the claim that the song is difficult was not made by Aguilera. It was made by some random member of the site. If she had written the comment, then I would buy it as an acceptable source. 99.192.52.45 (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Yikes, indeed, it is good I forgot about this! Thank you for pointing this out to me. SteveT (talk) 03:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

References

Edit 572857118 Undone

Uncommented edit 572857118 of 07:49, 14 September 2013‎ (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alone_(Heart_song)&oldid=572857118) by user at IP 183.171.176.54 appears to be wanton, having removed a link "Rock" that appears to be relevant. SteveT (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit war: Genre

We seem to have an edit war over whether "Genre: Hard Rock" belongs in the InfoBox. I thought it worth discussing here. It seems relevant enough to me and I don't see any good reason made in any edit comment either for including it or removing it, the closest being "Need source for genres" in edit 616178256 04:14, 9 July 2014‎ by the unnamed editor at IP address 183.171.166.227. Is there some Wikipedia rule or principle that would argue for the exclusion of a "Genre" tag in the InfoBox? SteveT (talk) 03:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

@Turetzsr: because according to Template:Infobox_song#genre, "It should come from a reliable source and also be stated and referenced in the body of the article; personal opinions or original research must not be included." 2001:D08:1402:5590:51D2:325A:CAFE:24BF (talk) 15:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I understand that there is a reasonable argument that marking the genre as "Hard Rock" may be inappropriate because it is deemed to be a personal opinion or based on original research but I was asking about whether it is appropriate to include a "Genre" tag at all. SteveT (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Celine Dion version too much prominence in article somebody remove her self-plug and lock the page

The article has been turned into a plug for Celine Dion without merit. Her version of Heart's Alone failed abysmally. Dion is mentioned in the very first paragraph of the article seeking to take away the accolade of success of Heart. I recommend this is removed by a Wikipedia editor, and as well, the Celine Dion version paragragh too further down. She should received a mention in the list of cover versions further down.Celine Dion should not be allowed to ruin the article by rubber stamping her name all over it. It should be about Heart.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.54.203 (talk • contribs) 07:28, January 4, 2016‎

First things first: This article is not about Heart, nor should it be. This article is about the song "Alone".

Next up is the edit summary, "Request that an editor removes the self-plugs of Celine Dion's failed cover version, just a simple mention in the covers list, and then lock the article from further edit by Celine Dion's associates." I see no indication that this has been edited by Celine Dion ("self-plugs") or "Celine Dion's associates".

Stepping back, how would this article look if the only version of the song was Dion's? Well, that version charted in the several countries, so there would be an article. Essentially, it would be the introductory section that is currently there and the section on the Dion version that is there now. This is not a "plug" for Dion, this is information on the version she released.

Yes, the Heart version charted higher and longer. Yes, the Heart version came before this one (but was not first). There should be (and is) a section on the Heart version. This is not a "plug" for Heart. This is information on the version they released.

None of the other notable artists who have released version have separate sections because their versions did not chart (or otherwise pass WP:NSONG).

Long story short: It looks OK to me. - -SummerPhD^v2.0 03:30, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 01:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Alone (Heart song) → Alone (i-Ten song) – The Heart version is just a cover. Per WP:SONGDAB: Use the name of the performer who first performed the song. We simply don't use the name of the most popular version (Fever (Little Willie John song), True Colors (Zedd song), Two Hearts (Kish Mauve song), etc.) (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I Agree, Heart Didn't Record It First. If We Do Change The Title To That, "Alone (Heart song)" Will Redirect There. LoveChoccyMilk (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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- update--- 6/26/2024 = wrong, wrong wrong! "Use the name of the performer who first performed the song. We simply don't use the name of the most popular version" = 1000% wrong. If that were true, then this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Tonightwould be titled "Waiting For Tonight (3rd Party song). — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ MichaelAngelo (talk • contribs) 01:19, 27 Jun 2024 (UTC)

Add genre "pop metal" to this song

Hi,

just wanting to know if it is ok to add the genre "pop metal" to this song. Explicitly stated as such at this reference: [1]https://www.al.com/life/2021/03/rock-legend-ann-wilson-of-heart-has-been-recording-in-muscle-shoals.html

Thanks! AgentKozak (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Pop metal would be a much more accurate genre than "soft rock"; power ballads by definition are not soft rock, they are generally ballads by hard rock bands (like Heart) with bombastic power chords. The genre has been updated to Power Ballad which is much more accurate. 47.187.187.220 (talk) 18:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Title -- Alone (i-Ten song). Shouldn't it really be shown as a Heart song since Heart's is the definitive version?

To me this title seems misleading because few if any ever heard of the band i-Ten, and few if any had ever heard of this song until Heart recorded it. It's just my opinion, but more people would consider this a Heart song even though it's technically a cover because it is the definitive version of the song, the only version to chart inside the Top 40, and the only version to appear on Billboard's Mainstream Rock chart. The average person would see "i-Ten song" and think it's not the Heart song unless they scroll down. Or maybe at least it should say "i-Ten and Heart song" so people would know it's the song they are looking for. 47.187.187.220 (talk) 19:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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update/comment from DJ MichaelAngelo 6-26-24----

THANK YOU!!!! I don't know how to edit things well in Wikpedia, but you are 1000% correct. I did just try and make the correction, citing this (obvious) reason:

Nobody knows who i-Ten is!!! For all intents and purposes, Alone is a Heart song. Period. If you ask 100 random people in America or any English-speaking country "who sings that 1980's song Alone?" how many folks do you REALLY think would answer with the group "i-Ten!" Maybe 1-2 people out of 100? Nearly everyone identifies Alone as a famous Heart song because their version is the only one most people know of, certainly not some obscure forgotten earlier version by the unknown band iTen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ MichaelAngelo (talk • contribs) 01:19, 27 Jun 2024 (UTC)

However, Wikipedia guidelines on disambiguation have not changed since the last move discussion. Quoting WP:SONGDAB: Use the name of the performer who first performed the song ("All I Ever Wanted" (Aranda song)), and not a cover artist name ("All I Ever Wanted" (Kelly Clarkson song)) —C.Fred (talk) 01:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see that discussion or when it took place, but it sounds like an arbitrarily heavy-handed "rule" as unrealistic as it is delusional. Occasional exceptions NEED to be made for the sake of user-friendly LOGIC and common sense please. DJ MichaelAngelo (talk) 01:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)