Talk:Al-Khums

Confusing district

So which district whom capital is Khoms, Khoms District or Murqub District? --Rochelimit (talk) 08:08, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Both. Khoms District is a former district. It was folded into the Murqub District. Khoms was the capital of the Khoms District, and is now the capital of the Murqub District. Jeancey (talk) 02:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Date taken in Civil War?

I'm still pretty sure it was August 23rd. Adjacent Zliten was only taken on August 19th, and the rebels took some time to solidify their control over the city and surrounding region.

Further, the Tripolitania Front map [1] and Misrata Frontline battle article [2] state that Khoms was indeed taken on August 23rd. Granted, resistance after August 19th on either approach to Tripoli was minimal, but I see no indication that the city was taken the day after Zliten.

Edit: Now I see the source says that Khoms had risen up at the same time as Tripoli (which was August 20th). So I suppose it was captured on August 20th, but no one, including those from Misrata, knew until they entered the town on August 23rd. Jetpower45 (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually if you look closely at the cited source, you can see that it was first written on 20 August, and revised 23 August.--Bejnar (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Al-Khums

Should the page be moved to Al-Khums?, it's the official name used by the municipality. --الرياضي الليبي (talk) 09:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

@الرياضي الليبي: When you say "municipality" do you mean the city or the district? Also you should wait at least a week for discussion, if you open discussion, prior to unilaterally making the move. --Bejnar (talk) 22:56, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 15 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved to Al-Khums at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

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Al Khums → Al-Khums – Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Arabic)#Definite_article. This is unlikely to be controversial, but there's a Nov 2015 request to give a week's notice first, which can't hurt - this is not urgent. If there is consensus to move, then there'll need to be a technical request to do the move, since the destination title already exists (as a redirect). Boud (talk) 21:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Al-Khums but don't lowercase the initial A, per Al-Qaeda for example. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Arabic)#Definite_article also supports this because it says

  "Al-" and its variants (ash-, ad-, ar-, etc.) are always written in lower case (unless beginning a sentence)

  Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:10, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Al-Khums per the above. bd2412 T 14:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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Title lower/upper case al-

@Amakuru: I was wondering about the reasoning against using {{lowercase title}}: the name of the town - used as the title of the article - is not a sentence. [This is not an issue of page renaming, because (as far as I know) mediawiki software normally does not distinguish between an initial lower or upper case letter.] Do you mean that Wikipedia article titles normally start with an upper case letter, and "al-" is not hardwired to be lower case, as in brand names, acidity - eBay, iPod, pH, and instead can be capitalised when that's normally expected? In that case, I follow your reasoning. I was confused because a title is not literally a sentence. Boud (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Boud: yes, that was the point I was making. It's not actually a sentence, but article titles do follow some of the rules of normal sentences, including capitalising the initial letter. Thus we have Apple rather than apple and so on. In a sentence structure, the only exceptions to the initial capital letter rule are precisely the examples you mention above - iPod, eBay etc. and one or two esoteric examples like k.d. lang where the normal rules have been overridden. I think it would be a general rule that wherever a term is capitalised at the beginning of a sentence we should capitalise it in our article title. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 08:03, 27 May 2019 (UTC)