Talk:Aftermath of the Houthi takeover in Yemen

Proposal to change the title

@Everyking, Kudzu1, Myronbeg, and Blaylockjam10:, @Strivingsoul, Fitzcarmalan, Brandmeister, Tariqabjotu, and Mhhossein: As the recent news shows today, the Saudi Arabia has launched a military operation and may invaded Yemen after fall of the Aden. So we should find a title which shows the crisis. I suggest one of these titles:

1. Yemen crisis
2. Yemen conflict
3. Yemen Civil war

Seyyed(t-c) 02:39, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

That can be handled with a separate article, if it continues for long enough and has enough significance over the long run to be independently notable (my guess is that it probably will). For now, developments related to the Houthi advance and Arab intervention are being handled at Southern Yemen offensive (2015). -Kudzu1 (talk) 02:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you. However, do you think the title of this article is suitable?--Seyyed(t-c) 02:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I think it's appropriate for now, and it can be revisited as the situation develops (and as more academic literature emerges on the events of the past few months in Yemen). Hindsight may dictate this article is merged back into its parent/predecessor, 2014–15 Yemeni coup d'état; the title of one or both articles may change; or maybe it turns out the way we've been handling it does stand the test of time and everything remains as it is. Right now, I think our focus has to be on keeping the content as accurate and up-to-date as possible, rather than scrambling to rearrange and rename pages (which is why I have held off on trying to make some sense out of Houthi insurgency in Yemen, for example). -Kudzu1 (talk) 02:53, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

However, I think Yemen crisis (2015) is a better title. --Seyyed(t-c) 06:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

@Sa.vakilian and Kudzu1: I agree when it come to keeping the content as accurate and up-to-date as possible. But it should not make us forget about keeping the titles "update and accurate". I did not find coup d'état suitable by now. "Yemen Civil war" or something like this seems good while I know that a an accurate investigation is required for suggesting the title. Mhhossein (talk) 06:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Even sources (including Houthi and Hadi government officials quoted) say Yemen may be "on the brink of civil war" or similar, not that a civil war is ongoing; as I have explained elsewhere, "coup" is a common term for what happened, and what happened follows the dictionary definition of a coup. Until a different term emerges, that's the name I'm inclined to support. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

First line of the lead

@Sa.vakilian and Kudzu1: Now that the we've got a new title, we'd better edit the first line based on that. How is it if the first line turns into the following:"The Yemen cisis (2015) refers to..."? Mhhossein (talk) 05:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

We don't have a new title. Any future moves need to be done through the WP:Movereq process and there needs to be consensus; in this case, there wasn't. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 27 March 2015

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The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. Hadal (talk) 06:17, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Aftermath of the 2014–15 Yemeni coup d'état → Yemen crisis (2015) – Regarding the ongoing events in the Yemen, the current title does not cover most of the aspects. We need a more general title, thus I propose Yemen crisis (2015) Seyyed(t-c) 06:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose: Thank you for starting this movereq -- but I can't support the proposed title. We already have a very similarly titled page, Yemeni Crisis (2011–present), covering up to the present date (the current events being, per pretty much every source out there, among the aftereffects of the 2011 revolution). Furthermore, the current name much more clearly defines the temporal scope of the article (events after, following onto, the 2014–15 Yemeni coup d'état) than the proposal. As I said above, I think now is not the time to start second-guessing article titles and focuses; we should let events play out as they will and then make our judgments with the benefit of hindsight. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• Support: Based on the related policies the proposed title has some benefits over the current one. They are as such:

Recognizability: "Crisis" will simply reflects what the article is going to transfer to the readers. So it is recognizable.

Naturalness: "Crisis" is what one may use as a key word for his/her searches.

Conciseness: The proposed title is short while being informative.

Consistency: The new topic is consistent with previous articles and follows the same pattern.

By the way, the existence of Yemeni Crisis (2011–present) makes no problem. Mhhossein (talk) 12:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• Support this more sensible, broad, and concise title per Mhhossein's comments. 73.222.28.191 (talk) 21:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - Per reasoning by Kudzu1. It would be interesting to see what sources call this in a few months time. We should let this play out. Mbcap (talk) 00:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose: As per Kudzu1 and Mbcap. Googol30 (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
• Comments + Suggestion WP is not for experts only the title “Aftermath of the 2014–15 Yemeni coup d'état” is hard and not comprehendable to general people. Crisis 2015 for Yemen is not only short in length and easy to understand. However, to provide an acceptable article title it is suggested that it may be tittled as “Yemen Crisis (2014-15 Insurgency).Nannadeem (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Other suggestion: Yemeni Civil War (2014–present). According to sources - Christian Science Monitor, The Guardian, The Independent, Washington Post, [1] [2] [3] [4] etc. 189.79.233.233 (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Please see Yemeni Civil War (2015), which already exists. RGloucester — ☎ 21:45, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

• @Kudzu1:; I propose to merge this article in Yemeni Civil War (2015).--Seyyed(t-c) 06:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose - This new title suggests that there is a new Yemeni Crisis, when in fact there has only been one. The new title is misleading, and thus, should not be used. The current title may be a bit long, but it just takes some getting used to. LightandDark2000 (talk) 08:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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The page was moved per the move of Houthi takeover in Yemen. Mhhossein (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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