Talk:Accessory nail of the fifth toe

Reliability

I am sceptical about the reliability of this article. The references are from blogs and discussion boards, hardly consistent with WP:SOURCES. It's very surprising that such a phenomenom has no Ghits in the English language, or any medical or scientific references. WWGB (talk) 05:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

But you are still ignoring that you cannot deduce that it does not exist. How is it a "hoax" if there are people aware of it and have the trait? I have provided as sources a few articles, you cannot state immediately they are non-reliable without getting someone who is capable of doing so, to read them. People are aware of the trait, people have the trait (including myself). You can say that you are skeptical, but you cannot state that it is a hoax. You have no right to deny the existence of the trait. If you are complaining about references, then why not help, help to improve the article and find some in English, if you really need it so, rather than demolishing the house before it is even built. Also take into account WP:CHANCE, Wikipedia:Don't hope the house will build itself, Wikipedia:Potential, not just current state, and Wikipedia:There is no deadline. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 05:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

QUOTE: "It's very surprising that such a phenomenom has no Ghits in the English language." This is an Argumentum ad populum, a fallacy of the worst kind. Have you considered that a Chinese trait might not be so well known in the Western world, by lack of interest? Prior to the 1980s, the Chinese never even knew that man had landed on the moon. How about this; just to prove that your statement is fallacious, go anywhere and ask ten Chinese people if they have a Mongoloid cuticle. Seven out of ten chance, they will say yes. Try it, before making absurd statements. Oh, and its also an Association fallacy to state my references as rubbish, simply due to how the URL appears. [1] comes from Sina.com news, one of the largest and most widespread Chinese websites. Argument from ignorance strikes again, may I say? And mind you, your claims are really getting on my WikiStress. I have created these good faith contributions, with no intent of harm or malice whatsoever, and end up having no appreciation for any hard work in regards to research and writing whatsoever. Take a look at my userpage, and have a look at my contributions; am I the type to spread false information for my own humour? Your comments really take the cake. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 06:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

... and a nice cake it was, too! WWGB (talk) 06:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

............. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 06:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Back to the topic, why would I want to start a hoax? Would would be my motive in doing so? What is there to falsify about a trait found amongst Han Chinese? What would I obtain? Have a good, logical think, and please be more serious this time. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 06:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I acknowledge that hoax was a harsh term and I withdraw that imputation. My point is that WP:SOURCES requires that "articles should be based upon reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". The references that I see (and I HAVE translated them, including the sina.com bbs) come from blogs, discussion boards etc, not usually associated with reliability or fact-checking. I could no doubt find a similar variety of references that claim instant noodle cup wax is harmful but that does not mean that it warrants a Wikipedia article. WWGB (talk) 07:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

There is no harm in using Google Translate. You could also get someone to read the sources for you. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 10:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

QUOTE: "I could no doubt find a similar variety of references that claim instant noodle cup wax is harmful but that does not mean that it warrants a Wikipedia article." There is an article on Mongolian spot, so why is this non-notable? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 10:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Found more reliable sources

1. http://koudai.360.cn/u/19377718/article_143411183.html?s=y - This is an article, non-blog, non-forum. Quote:

导游会问你的左脚的小脚指甲有无分岔？据说有分岔的人，都是从山西迁徙出去的。汉人小脚拇指的指甲盖，通常分裂为两半。不过两半不成比例，

Rough translation by Google Translate:

Ask your guides left bifurcation any small toenail? Bifurcation is said to have people who are migrating away from the Shanxi Province. Han Chinese bound feet thumb nail covers, are usually split into two halves. But in two out of proportion

Important section noted in bold.

2. http://www.360doc.com/content/090317/12/116177_2833073.html - This is also an article, non-blog, non-forum. Quote:

民族大融合后的汉人的脚指头，小拇指的指甲盖，通常分裂为两半。不过两半不成比例，一半大得多，一半很少，不注意是很难发现的,而且男左女右。异民族的脚趾的小拇指头，则是完整光滑的一块。

Google Translate:

After the national integration of the Chinese脚指头,小拇指cover the nail, usually split into two halves. However, out of proportion in two, half is much greater, half small, pay no attention to it is very difficult to find, and男左女右. Toes of different ethnic groups小拇指first, it is a smooth complete.

See bold.

Additionally, you can Google.cn search or Baidu search for 脚指甲 (toenail) 蒙古人种 (mongoloid race) and 科学文章 (scientific article). I'm currently having difficulty in filtering out the forum posts et cetera, it would be helpful if someone were kind enough to help, and not be destructive.

Regards, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 11:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Accessory nail or hangnail?

The photo seems too blurry to distinguish it from a hangnail. If it's so hard to find a convincing photo it must be a pretty rare condition. --Vaughan Pratt (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I was looking for some circumferal information on this subject since my daughter (not Chinese at all...) has this condition. I was very surprised to find no references on the German Wikipedia, and so little information here, because I believe it to be, if not common, but at least a somewhat well-known condition. I'll upload a picture as soon as I find out how that can be done. (Never uploaded pictures to Wikipedia before...) -- DevSolar (talk) 15:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I took a very clear photo of my very not hangnail toenail. I have no Chinese lineage. Enjoy. DigitalGadget 04:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

That's a hangnail, and not an accessory toenail though, right? An accessory toenail is not connected to the main toenail, and shoots off in a different direction. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

dumb article - seemingly a cultural fetish

what a silly article describing a silly variation in human appendage nail growth

I'm caucasion and have been clipping off these silly broken side extensions of small toe nail for years

anyone bother to consider the effects of footwear, ie shoes, sandals, etc?

or maybe a hardened callus?

rediculous article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.255.38.196 (talk) 08:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Lack of Awareness and Information

I am unsure of the prevalence of this condition, but there seems to be almost no mention of it anywhere on the internet. This is so perplexing because while the condition is mundane to the layman, any inherited traits, if indeed this is what it is, is an interest to geneticists and evolution biologists. The only credible source I have found is a medical paper published by the Chang Gung Memorial Hospital at Chiayi in Taiwan. This paper has been archived at the US National Library of Medicine. The paper is entitled: Inherited accessory nail of the fifth toe cured by surgical matricectomy. This paper was published in 2004 and I wonder why the original contributor did not bother to reference it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.132.224 (talk) 07:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Trait of Han tribe?

I'm a native Korean living in Korea. My paternal ancestor is said to have come from China continent, and I have fancied long that my ancestor had come from Mongolia or Siberia or the Central Asia, ultimately, just via China continent. I'm very disappointed at my possible Han tribe lineage. LOL. You know, Han tribe named every people surrounding them as barbarians, and constructed Great Wall which was supposed to protect themselves from the Northern and Eastern barbarians. I read about accessory toenails ago, describing differently as the trait of Mongolians. Could I find more clues on this: the witnesses who claim their tribal identity and the existence of this accessory toenail?
BTW, the exemplary image in this document is not good in my eyes. The toenail looks a split one. Korean version has a proper one. :) Queenmillennia (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Range of variation?

I wonder if this trait actually exists on a continuum, with a milder variant simply being an unusually concave (but not bifurcated) toenail on the pinky toe.

I’m a grown man in my 30s (and not even Asian, in case you were wondering). For a very long time, the fifth toenail on one of my feet had been growing extremely concave, almost like a saddle shape, which was really inconvenient (that shape of nail is hard to trim and generally uncomfortable). Then, very recently, it just split and and the result now looks exactly like one of these (and is far less unwieldy than before). Nails in younger people have less of a tendency to split vertically, so it makes sense that this trait might sometimes take a while to appear too. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:6466 (talk) 17:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)