Talk:3rd Assault Brigade

Azov

The name of the brigade is Azov. Why isn't that mentioned in the article? Source: https://www.yahoo.com/now/azov-regiment-expands-brigade-within-195700966.html   Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

It was in the article, but then someone removed it. I was going to add it back in, but I had a look at sources and I'm not so sure if "Azov" is actually in the name of the brigade. Sources just say "3rd Assault Brigade" Tristario (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Here is another reference form their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ab3.army   Translation from google:

An extended Azov unit within the Armed Forces, created by veterans of the Russian-Ukrainian war during the full-scale invasion of 2022.

Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

MilitaryLand.net

MilitaryLand.net is a blog and should not be used as a source on wikipedia per WP:BLOGS, I will be removing the source, do not add it back, or add any other references to MilitaryLand.net Scu ba (talk) 03:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ideology and other data

Information from their website as at 13 May 2023.[1] It would be useful to find secondary sources to include this data in the article:

"The Third Separate Assault Brigade is a volunteer unit formed in the first days of the full-scale invasion. The Third Separate Assault Brigade was formed on the same principles as the legendary Azov and the entire Azov movement. The basic ideological principles of the Azov units are Ukraine-centricity, traditionalism, hierarchy and responsibility. Only highly motivated and strong-minded fighters, ready for continuous improvement and tough battles with the enemy on the front line, join our ranks after a difficult selection process. The backbone of the volunteer TRO unit, established on 24 February 2022, which began the brigade's history, was made up of veterans of the Azov Special Forces of the National Guard of Ukraine and representatives of the Azov Movement. On 9 March, the unit was expanded into the Azov Special Forces within the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and later reformed into a separate unit of the Azov Special Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In January 2023. the Azov Special Forces became part of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and was expanded to a brigade." Mhorg (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

The 3rd assault brigade recently minted combat medals modelled off the 36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (Dirlewanger) insignia:

https://www.facebook.com/ab3.army/posts/pfbid0GkxyTeVwBx5zG8PSZ9V1P8kCipFwvFaJcGKuJbw2sz8Fcksuw4FgGgBcS8kU7Cfnl

https://web.archive.org/web/20230818015813/https://www.facebook.com/ab3.army/posts/pfbid0GkxyTeVwBx5zG8PSZ9V1P8kCipFwvFaJcGKuJbw2sz8Fcksuw4FgGgBcS8kU7Cfnl

I think it's fair to add "neo-nazi" to their ideological description. Aachenshinto (talk) 02:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't necessarily agree that is reflective of the overall unit. You will need to write this in a neutral, and substantiated term - it would be better to describe that certain elements of insignia and badges have neo-Nazi affiliated insignia or meaning such as the black sun. Moreover, it would have to be properly cited as well according to a secondary source to back this up. Alternatively, you could draw back to the formation of this brigade from the SSO Azov Kyiv and SSO Azov Kharkiv, and link the SSO Azov units to the Azov Brigade and how they had controversy in regards to neo-Nazism. I do agree that this should be implemented, but in a way that doesn't summarise the whole unit to be neo-Nazis. The most accurate description of the common fighter in this brigade would be that they are ultra-nationalist, and patriotic, with some individual subunits having neo-Nazi insignia and views. Davomme (talk) 11:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Move page for the article

Since every other Ukrainian brigade article has the brackets in the name specifying the unit is from Ukraine, eg 93rd Mechanized Brigade (Ukraine), it would make sense to do the same from this article? So moving the name from 3rd Assault Brigade to 3rd Assault Brigade (Ukraine).

I am willing to hear any dispute or support for this proposition, I will not move the page until a consensus is reached. Davomme (talk) 13:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It may be the only 3rd Assault Brigade in the world, but adding (Ukraine) would be more consistent with other pages. ciaoneef (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Revert structure back to bullet points

While the current tree list in the Structure section looks perfectly fine, the template seems to also include the references and Ukrainian Ground Forces infobox below (?). I suggest going back to the bullet points that were used previously in the Structure section, or at least fixing the tree list so that the References and infobox are separate entities again. Frankly I'm scared to try this for fear of messing up further, but hopefully someone with more editing experience than me is able to fix this at some point. ciaoneef (talk) 18:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)