Talk:2024 Venezuelan presidential election

==This article needs to be updated. The Election Results are not what are now displayed. This is miss information. Information not trusted.The President Elect is Edmundo Gonzalez.==

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Boud do you have time to work this in? If not, on my list, unless someone gets to it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Nice finding - I copyedited it. I wouldn't consider it anything beyond a weak sanity check. Under the devil's advocate hypothesis that the opposition faked the actas, they presumably would have done that with access to the full database of the lists of witnesses per mesa, and access to software with the tally sheet format and to hardware for printing similar style sheets and fabricating CNE watermarks and so on - they would have only faked some of the counts. Boud (talk) 00:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Boud! Maybe I can get you to also copyedit 2024 Venezuelan political crisis :) I've been chunking in text too fast to refine it! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

TSJ-Mandated CNE Document Release

Does anyone have an update on when CNE are going to release the TSJ-mandated election-relation documentation? I feel like whether there was electoral fraud is the seminal issue here, no? But I feel like the article is written presupposing such fraud, e.g., giving credence to the idea that the masterminds of the greatest electoral fraud in Latin American history temporarily turned into idiots and left an look-how-ridiculously-and-clearly-impossible-in-real-life zero-sequencing fingerprint. I don't know; maybe they did?

We need to get actual documentation; otherwise, we don't know (actually know) if there was the greatest elector fraud in Latin American history. Instead, we repeat claims of such fraud even though while demanding the release of documents from CNE. And such a demand (and our insatiable need) for this information proves that we don't have it yet. And to say that the greatest electoral fraud in Latin American history just occurred without this information seems like a self-inflicted rule. No one is forcing us to quickly create this (and kindred) articles.

BTW: I'm only writing this to improve this article. Please don't ad hominem me; I'm indifferent to the results of this election. I'm not pro either side; I am an American who is indifferent to who rules a country that I've never been to, that is far away from me, and that I'm not a citizen of. 73.230.160.102 (talk) 14:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The CNE has already well missed the deadline (more than once) for publishing the data, and it's not likely to happen at this late stage. Re "I don't know; maybe they did?", the article reports what sources say; the reader can draw their own conclusion about your question, but there are plenty of sources saying that is exactly what happened. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, thank you for responding. 73.230.160.102 (talk) 17:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Simple English please!

It might help an average reader get to the salient points of this article a lot faster than the third par of the lede that only then mentions the CNE likely published falsified results. The first two pars of this article's lede fail completely to get to the point that deeply unpopular president Nicolás Maduro was going to be easily defeated at the polls but then miraculously won. If you are going to have such a rambling effort, my advice is use this quote to paraphrase the next 900 lines.

“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.” ― Joseph Stalin

146.90.208.196 (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election 174.89.12.36 (talk) 10:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

European Union

I do not know what it is worth but is this [2] here somewhere? ReyHahn (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

ReyHahn no it's not anywhere, yet, as far as I know. For two reasons.

1. First, since that recognition is only symbolic (the Spanish gov't has declined to recognize him even though the parliament did), that content really belongs at International reactions to the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election as it is probably undue here.
2. Second, as I was traveling to a wedding and then got sick when I got home, I have fallen behind on updates.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

This entire article is extremely biased towards the opposition.

The whole thing reads as if a Trump supporter who was in the January 6th riot wrote an article about the 2020 US election. I think it should be rewritten. Rares Kosa (talk) 14:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Shameless instrumentalisation of Wikipedia by political partisans. Fairfis (talk) 15:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:VERIFIABILITY to understand how Wikipedia articles are written. Look at the existing sources and text based on the sources. State some reliable sources that are missing and where their information should be integrated. Please check that you have statistical arguments from sources as reliable as those currently used; they are extremely strong in favour of Gonzáles having won the election, and in favour of the CNE results being fabricated; see the article for the sources. Concrete proposals for fixes or more likely to lead to edits than broad statements. Boud (talk) 01:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)