Talk:2019 Polish parliamentary election

Coalition

There's several notes on the infobox mentioning coalitions of parties "Law and Justice+Agreement+United Poland+Republican Party+"Piast" Party+Free and Solidary unofficially as United Right". What does unofficially mean, are they presenting a common list or not? --Aréat (talk) 03:20, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

From looking at the Polish Wikipedia article, Law and Justice seems to be the uniform name for each list, even though they may include non-PiS members. One example is in district 33, where United Poland leader Zbigniew Ziobro is number 1 on the list. The Polish page has Prawo i Sprawiedliwość as the electoral committee's name, not Zjednoczona Prawica (United Right). Kahlores (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2019 (UTC) Leitrim

Thank you for the information !--Aréat (talk) 23:35, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Thresholds

"Seats are allocated using the D'hondt method, with a 5% threshold for single parties and 8% threshold for coalitions"

To which "electoral committees" does the 8% coalition threshold apply in 2019? Do "Polish Coalition", "Razem" and "Confederation" count as coalitions (which they are, de facto) or is this a legal way to be counted as one and avoid the greater threshold?

The article would greatly benefit from such a clarification.

Kahlores (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

According to the Polish Wikipedia, there are 88 committees registered on time, of which: 1 is a coalition committee ("Civic Coalition PO .N IPL Greens"), 30 are political parties and 57 are voters' committees (mostly independent candidates standing for either the Sejm or the Senate).

The list can be found on Polish Wikinews.

We thus have an answer. The 8% threshold will only apply for the Civic Coalition, which currently polls in the 25-31% range.

Kahlores (talk) 09:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that very important information.--Aréat (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Results

I suggest using something like this for the results:

==Results==
=== Sejm ===
==== Summary results ====
{| style="width100%; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"
 |+ 
 | colspan="10" |↓
 |- style="color:white;"
 | style="background:#073A76; width:16.66667%;" | -
 | style="background:#FAA14C; width:16.66667%;" | -
 | style="background:#32CD32; width:16.66667%;" | -
 | style="background:#CE000C; width:16.66667%"" | -
 | style="background:#091F92; width:16.66667%"" | -
 | style="background:#0780C4; width:16.66667%"" | -
 |-
 | {{color|#073A76|Law and Justice}}
 | {{color|#FAA14C|Civic Coalition}}
 | {{color|#32CD32|Polish Coalition}}
 | {{color|#CE000C|The Left}}
 | {{color|#091F92|Confederation}}
 | {{color|#0780C4|German Minority}}
 |}

=== Senate ===
==== Summary Results ====
{| style="width100%; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"
 |+ 
 | colspan="10" |↓
 |- style="color:white;"
 | style="background:#073A76; width:16.66667%;" | -
 | style="background:#FAA14C; width:16.66667%;" | -
 | style="background:#32CD32; width:16.66667%;" | -
 | style="background:#CE000C; width:16.66667%"" | -
 | style="background:#091F92; width:16.66667%"" | -
 | style="background:#0780C4; width:16.66667%"" | -
 |-
 | {{color|#073A76|Law and Justice}}
 | {{color|#FAA14C|Civic Coalition}}
 | {{color|#32CD32|Polish Coalition}}
 | {{color|#CE000C|The Left}}
 | {{color|#091F92|Confederation}}
 | {{color|#0780C4|German Minority}}
 |}

The bars will look something like this:

↓
-	-	-	-	-	-
Law and Justice	Civic Coalition	Polish Coalition	The Left	Confederation	German Minority

--NAT/HBA.YYZ/MA.WAW/PHDABD.CDG 16:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

The problem with those is that parties whose share of votes are smaller than the share caused by the lenght of their names break the proportionnality and make the result useless. Hemicycles does the job just as well, without this problem. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 17:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Aréat. I don't believe these coloured tables would be helpful. Number 57 20:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

This would be more so a share of the seats. It's currently used on the various articles covering Canadian federal elections (see 2015 Canadian federal election, 2019 Canadian federal election) --NAT/HBA.YYZ/MA.WAW/PHDABD.CDG 03:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Being used elsewhere doesn't mean it's a good idea. The Canadian election articles, and particularly the results sections, are very poorly laid out. Number 57 11:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

It would be a very good idea... elsewhere, for instance, to produce a historical summary of all elections since 1989. There is such a graphical summary on the article about the Parliament of Hungary. It could also be used for each constituency (see here). Kahlores (talk) 21:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Separate ballots for the Senate?

I added some basic result tables for both houses. Previous election page however has a single one, with only one column of votes being shown, along with seats of both houses. This would suggest there is a single ballot with a single vote, used for both calculations. However, the polish page of the previous election has separate tables, with different vote count, which would suggest polish voters use two different ballots, with thus the need for separate tables. But maybe these similar votes counts are simply outdated. Does anyone know which one is right?--Aréat (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Of course these are separate elections, with separate "electoral committees" and separate district maps. You can check out the Polish Wikipedia, or the Election committee's summary of the results to see how it works.

As for the layout, I don't see any problem with the one used previously, as it does show the Sejm votes as being for the Sejm only. The lack of detail for the Senate isn't a problem, given that Poland has a weak bicameralism, with the lower house having the last word. Kahlores (talk) 23:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

If the Senate seats are elected separately, then there should be a separate table showing their results like on pl.wiki, or have something like this with the Senate and Sejm separated. Number 57 11:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Official Results now available

The results can be found here: Official results -- Ìch heiss Nat ùn ìch redd e wenig Elsässisch!^{Talk to me in EN, FR, GSW-FR(ALS).} 23:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Senate results in template

The information was added to the template because the Sejm is not the sole body to be elected in this election. @Wroclaw2468: if you wish to change this, please discuss here to seek consensus. Thank you. --Ìch heiss Nat ùn ìch redd e wenig Elsässisch!^{Talk to me in EN, FR, PL, GSW-FR(ALS).} 01:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

In all previous elections the results of the Senate election were not featured in the template. It was for the practical reason that the Senate does not pick the government. This is not like the United States where the upper and lower house have equal strength instead it's like most of Europe where the lower house has almost all of the power. Wroclaw2468 (talk) 3:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Template Inconsistencies

The template is a very confusing mess with plenty of errors and inconsistencies. The "party" section should feature the political parties or coalitions as they appeared during the voting. The Left and Polish Coalition are not parties and they should be changed to Democratic Left Alliance and Polish People's Party respectively since that's how they appeared on the ballots. This does not apply to the Civic Coalition since they were in fact a coalition and had to pass the 8% threshold to get seats. It also does not apply to the Confederation since they are in fact a de-jure party unlike The Left and Polish Coalition. WKK and Czarzasty are the sole leaders of the PSL and SLD and per my last point they should stay. But they are not the sole leaders of the Polish Coalition and The Left and this is one the inconsistences in the template. The Confederation meanwhile had three co-leaders and they should all be featured in the template since they did not pick a candidate for Prime Minister. Wroclaw2468 (talk) 3:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Can we show results by district?

for instance Legnica elected 6 Law, 3 Civic, 2 The Left and 1 Polish People's Party members but this is not stated anywhere - only percentage of votes received by each party in each district. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.222.51 (talk) 00:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)