Talk:École nationale supérieure de l'aéronautique et de l'espace
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Mikhail Gurevich as an alumnus of the school edit
On the alumni register (available online here [1]), two people named Samuel and Meyer Gourevitch (French spelling of Gurevich) are indeed listed as having graduated in 1913. However, there is no Mikhail or other close name in the list. It is relatively well documented that Mikhail Gurevitch spent some time in France around that period of time, but he was in Montpellier, not in Paris, where Supaero was at that time. Until someone finds a reputable source, preferably a book instead of weblink, I think it is best not to put Mikhail Gurevich in the famous alumni list. Flambe 20:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC) (was not logged at the time of the edit on the main page but was behind IP 86.220.194.222)
- The name of Samuel Gourevitch, founder of MIG, is mentioned on the schools printed alumni listing. However, as it is not available, except on the website you mentioned, here are another links which mention the fact that he was a Supaero alumni : [2] [3]. The article was written by Claude Carlier, an historian (specialized in aeronautics history) who wrote a biography about Marcel Dassault [4] [5]. See also here, here, and here. He continued his education in Montpellier University, France and then specialized in aeronautical engineering in École Nationale Supérieure de l'Aéronautique et de l'Espace. So I think it is safe to put it back in the article. Hervegirod 14:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your interest in that question. I would however like to point out that, as I understand it, the co-founder of MiG was called Mikhail, not Samuel or Meyer, and this can be seen in most sources, including here, here, or simply the Wikipedia article on Mikhail Gurevich itself. As far as I know, Claude Charlier is the only person who mentions a couple of Gurevich brothers as the co-founders of the MiG company, even if it wouldn't be absurd that Mikhail/Samuel/Meyer would have spent some time in Paris if they already came to Montpellier. Besides, I am afraid that links [6], and [7] come from copies of old versions of the SUPAERO article on Wikipedia; they cannot really be used in this debate, can they? I was unable to check this link though. All in all, I think something more precise should be required here. Kind regards, Flambe 02:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I removed the refs that were mirrored from wikipedia, and added a {{Fact}} tag. However, there is at least one source different from Carlier or Wikipedia which cites Gurevitch as having studied in SUPAERO ([8] is the website of a French Jewish magazine, but the link goes on an off...). Hervegirod 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know if it is relevant, but there is an old MIG15 on the Supaero campus grounds. Some say that it was offered by Gurevich but I could not find any sources.
- I have been on the Supaero campus during my studies and asked the question. I have been answered that he was graduated from supaero. I have also been answered that this plane in a school courtyard (retired from service, on display) in a country from the ex-eastern block. An authorization has been asked to the french government. Denial was so late to arrive that the plane was already in Toulouse. Everything rely on a speech of a person, no real proof. I do remember that Gourevitch was mentionned in Supaero old website around 1999/2001, but has been removed since. Julien1A (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know if it is relevant, but there is an old MIG15 on the Supaero campus grounds. Some say that it was offered by Gurevich but I could not find any sources.
- OK, I removed the refs that were mirrored from wikipedia, and added a {{Fact}} tag. However, there is at least one source different from Carlier or Wikipedia which cites Gurevitch as having studied in SUPAERO ([8] is the website of a French Jewish magazine, but the link goes on an off...). Hervegirod 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your interest in that question. I would however like to point out that, as I understand it, the co-founder of MiG was called Mikhail, not Samuel or Meyer, and this can be seen in most sources, including here, here, or simply the Wikipedia article on Mikhail Gurevich itself. As far as I know, Claude Charlier is the only person who mentions a couple of Gurevich brothers as the co-founders of the MiG company, even if it wouldn't be absurd that Mikhail/Samuel/Meyer would have spent some time in Paris if they already came to Montpellier. Besides, I am afraid that links [6], and [7] come from copies of old versions of the SUPAERO article on Wikipedia; they cannot really be used in this debate, can they? I was unable to check this link though. All in all, I think something more precise should be required here. Kind regards, Flambe 02:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Supaero entrance.jpg edit
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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)