Talk:2021–22 United States network television schedule

Duplicate page

Apparently someone created a duplicate of this page unaware (I believe) of this existing draft. I recommend to nominate the duplicate for deletion. Also, I posted a note on the talk page. Thoughts? — MrE (talk) 03:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

When Will The 2021-22 United States Network Television Schedule be a article

When Will This become a article. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 02:45, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Why Didn't You Answer Me Last Week.68.102.42.216 (talk) 00:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

What No Article Yet And Why Didn't You answer Me. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 21:57, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Please be calm and civil, if you go to the bottom of the draft page, you'll see that it says that it could take up to 4 months or more since drafts are reviewed in no specific order and there are 4,788 pending submissions waiting for review. — MrE (talk) 22:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

CBS Nfl

Yeah i thought about talking about the cbs doubleheader falling in the primetime schedule but i don't agree with what you guys thinking there since this same situation happened in the late night schedule last year and we included it and put a note on the show and so i think we should put it on the schedule and put a note about cbs fall primetime schedule Hoopstercat (talk) 23:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The way i am trying to say is we should put cbs nfl in the 7 p.m e.t. hour and move all of cbs's Primetime programming by a half hour and put a note about it being in the 7 p.m. e.t. hour when no doubleheader and also to the Western time zones Hoopstercat (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

You don't get it. I have already explained this once in the previous schedule's talk page. Prime time hours are not decided by Wikipedia editors but by the laws laid by PTAR which are being followed for the past 40 years. So primetime programming cannot be pushed into late-night programming just because it is convenient. All us editors do is take what is officially announced by the network, CBS in this case, and add it to the schedule. Fox officially includes the OT as a part of its fall schedules, CBS doesn't, so the table will be made exactly as CBS announces it. TheRedDomitor (talk) 17:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok i get it now this explanation is more understandable Hoopstercat (talk) 01:19, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Network order

Another thing i want to talk about is shouldn't we put the networks in their similarities like nbc first then abc then cbs then fox then cw like daytime and late night do? If we do it that way we can connect some more blocks since fox's tnf makes us have to put 2 local programming blocks on Thursday but if we put fox first then cw then we wouldn't have as much of a problem there Hoopstercat (talk) 01:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

It's in alphabetical order. Jdavi333 (talk) 14:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Then cw should be in the bottom of the schedule since technically the network is called the cw Hoopstercat (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The "The" in CW is a prefix. The defining character, CW, takes precedence and hence it is at the top.TheRedDomitor (talk) 21:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The XXX–XX United States network television (daytime) and (late night) schedules should all be merged into the main page because of redundancy and the possible lack of interest. kpgamingz (rant me) 17:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I kind of do agree but however if we do the grid will be very big Hoopstercat (talk) 20:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

And also the guidelines will have to change and many changes will have to be made plus those 2 schedules was really kind of really kind of got going this last tv season when i started working on them and made huge improvements then previous years Hoopstercat (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

And also if we do that the notes will happen too much since the daytime schedule has a lot of notes that will be put if we do Hoopstercat (talk) 01:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose: Primetime, daytime and late-night television schedules are three separate entities governed by three separate sets of guidelines, not just on Wikipedia but also by the networks themselves. Wikipedia articles for the schedules have remained separate for the past 40+ primetime seasons and I see no reason to merge them now. Historical record is the rationale behind creating articles for an encyclopaedia, not countering redundancy or a lack of interest. TheRedDomitor (talk) 03:53, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
• Strong oppose: Per what TheRedDomitor stated since it's highly redundant and it would not be encyclopedic to do that. BattleshipMan (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: As explained earlier, the three schedules comprise different characteristics that are the reason there are separate pages for each part of the full schedule. Plus, not to mention the article would become too long. — MrE (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, but I think a hatnote should be added as "2021–22 United States network television schedule" could refer to both the daytime and late-night schedules, but only the primetime is listed in the article with that title. Heartfox (talk) 22:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I do agree with all this since afterall each one is different and offers different ways since not all networks (Fox and CW mostly) air all day long and if we do merge the schedules then the schedule in whole would just be 1 very long schedule (Since at this moment all hours have been determined to be in 1 of the schedules) so therefore there would be way more local programming blocks Hoopstercat (talk) 00:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

But however i do recommend that daytime and late night if possible follow a similar guidelines like citing all programming putting notes (Only important ones) and many other things we have done with the primetime schedule should apply to the other 2 schedules as well Hoopstercat (talk) 00:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Grid Size

Hey is it possible to make the grid bigger and all to be the same size so we can fit shows in 1 line so we can reduce rows being used? Hoopstercat (talk) 20:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Encore programming

Since after every tv season we unhighlight all encores and do a few other things to the schedule shouldn’t we put encores a different color so they don’t have to be removed and doing this will also eliminate the mixture between the grid color after a tv season and encores while in season? Doing this will also allow us to color the grid while in season and keeping it there all the time and also to have encores highlighted all the time so that way we at least don’t have to make as many or possibly none at all and my suggestion for the encore color would be orange Hoopstercat (talk) 20:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Another thing I thought about adding in is some shows like AGT, the voice, big brother and other shows air live so shouldn’t we put a small text and/or another color to make it known that it is live and airs in all time zones at the same time? I would recommend pink for that Hoopstercat (talk) 21:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so. The only thing that matters in the schedules that are over is the Top 30 shows. Encores are already clarified with the "(R)". Those shows you mention do not air live throughout its entire run, so there is no need to split that up and add more information to the schedule. — MrE (talk) 22:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Crimetime Saturday

Since Crimetime Saturday is a placeholder for cbs and ctv’s Saturday night programming should we put encores of the shows being and try to put the most constant programming for that month since it makes more sense to specify the programming to make it more understandable since this is kind of like VP(Various programming) since crimetime Saturday doesn’t really give out any info on what certain shows air in that time slot? Hoopstercat (talk) 20:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Crimetime is a programming block and has its own main page. The block has no regularity in terms of programming, so adding the show that air the most wouldn't be correct.— MrE (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Two Questions

Out of curiosity, I don't know if it has been previously discussed, but why are some shows that are a half hour long program being displayed as an hour long program? I understand a possible reasoning being that two new episodes are airing back to back, but that still doesn't make the program an hour long, it just means that there are to 30 minute episodes airing back to back. Two examples that I've found on this page so far is for Two Sentence Horror Stories on Sunday for The CW and Kenan on Monday for NBC. To me, if I wasn't familiarized with the programs, would assume that they are an hour long which would be incorrect. It just seems misleading in terms of displaying accurate information about the schedule and the shows. Just curious if there was an actual reason for doing this.

The second one is why does a show need to air three episodes in a slot to be included. I ask because a show that I watch was cancelled and removed from the channel's schedule after two. After that it was removed from this schedule. I get that a show that is in a time slot temporarily to fill in a gap, or to air before it moves to it's permanent time slot wouldn't be added, but when a show is announced as part of the schedule, aired in that stated time slot and is referenced to have aired in that time slot. Also, if the show hadn't be cancelled then it would still be airing in that same time slot. It just seem weird that an official schedule would be partially ignored because a show hasn't aired three episodes. Thanks for any answers, I'm just really curious and I normally don't edit so it's more for future reference. Thanks!2603:6011:8A01:D4E1:E5AC:5328:8213:7BD1 (talk) 02:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Shows are placed as blocks, not separated by individual episodes. Also, the discussion about the using of slots was previously addressed by editors here. — MrE (talk) 00:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Here is what I would try to respond with 1. Each block has a 30 minute time span so that would be an episode but if it was 1 new and 1 encore every week then it should be separate since they are not the same thing but if it was the same it makes more sense to put them together as 1 but however I would say we should put to indicate it is a 2 episode such as something in small like we do with (R) though Hoopstercat (talk) 21:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

To respond with the other questions 2. To be able to be on the schedule each show has to air for 3 weeks unless that time slot doesn’t have regular programming for a month (4 weeks) so canceled programming not airing for that time period would be hard to incorporate and would be messy plus some series after they are canceled may go to streaming for the remainder of its run so that may change depending on how this season goes since we did have a lot changed due to Covid-19 Hoopstercat (talk) 21:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Unnecesary additions

First I wonder why the "Holiday specials" legend has been added to the schedule if they won't air over four or more weeks. I believe there is no need to add that, and was never needed to any schedule.

In second place, there are two TBA blocks that include the whole day such as Sundays for NBC and Saturdays for Fox. They should be added only if only a part of the schedule is TBA, not its entirety (it was discussed before).

Also, what's with the "NCIS (franchise) (R)" block? Unless it's called like that from CBS it should only include the VP legend.

Honestly, these things make the schedule messy, and we tried to fix it on previous years but it continues to have unnecessary information. That's one of the reasons I've stopped contributing this page since previous consensus are not being taken into account and it's sad to see this project go this way. — MrE (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Well to respond back with this is this: I thought we were trying to reduce the use of VP and sometimes each show won’t air by a certain amount of time so you may have to go with the show’s franchise’s which would be a show’s companion and then go with the # of weeks a franchise has to air Hoopstercat (talk) 21:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

And with the TBA blocks sometimes if you know the ending of a series like SNF then we automatically know when the TBA Block will begin however for fox it is taking a bit longer of knowing since with nfl playoff conflicts before we know it’s regular Saturday encores for the year since last season we started out with VP then changed to programming later on Hoopstercat (talk) 22:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

NFL programming

Thought to bring this up: Should we add NFL game day prime to the Fox schedule on Sundays at 10 pm et/pt since the show is on NFL network but it’s syndicated to fox stations from 2018-2021? Hoopstercat (talk) 16:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

No, only official programming by the networks must be added. — MrE (talk) 00:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Take a look at this article and see if it fits in this schedule or somewhere else http://amp.awfulannouncing.com/fox/fox-nfl-network-nfl-game-day-prime.html Hoopstercat (talk) 02:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Page protection for all schedules

Since I have seen many edits that are done unintentionally and causing problems and no references at all should we make the page to that only verified people can edit it? Hoopstercat (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Limited series

Since there is many limited series on the schedule should we add a color for them so we can tell the difference between those and actual tv series? Hoopstercat (talk) 17:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Password

So recently, Password had its premiere date announced, August 9 at 10 PM. Also, various timeslots for the show have been released on the Futon Critic. If someone could update the tables to reflect this, that would be great. BrickMaster02 (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Password only airs once on Mondays and twice on Wednesdays so therefore it will be enough to make it on any other day outside of Tuesdays at 10 pm Hoopstercat (talk) 19:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Hours on the schedule

We need to get this straightened: for the Saturday schedule mostly is the 7 or the 11 pm et hour supposed to go in here? (Since I would say yes to 11 pm et more then 7 pm et in the current and the next tv schedule since both hours are similar to primetime in some way (since primetime sports overflow to the 7 pm et hour making the afternoon schedule putting continued until game completion and a lot of local programming in that hour the 11 pm et is about the same since we have a SNL note that’s why we need that program on there to reflect the note and it’s the only program outside of primetime repeats on Fox In that hour (too similar to Fox primetime Saturday since The prime + (plus term is used for late night sometimes ) so let us know your thoughts either here or on the next tv season and let’s get this figured out thanks for the understanding Hoopstercat (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Spanish language networks

Since we have all of the local over the air English stations on the list should we add Telemundo and Univision to the schedule (primetime only) Hoopstercat (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. It's probably mostly repeats of shows already aired in English, among other things. So it wouldn't make much sense. BattleshipMan (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)