Category talk:English Jews

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Suggested Renaming

Unless it can somehow be proven that all the people in this category are BOTH English and Jewish, this category should be renamed to Category:Jewish people from England or something along those lines. For example, someone who has an English-Anglican father and a German-Jewish refugee mother, would qualify as English and Jewish. Furthermore, it can be argued the small English-Jewish community that has always resided in England, perhaps like Aaron of York would also be an English Jew. However, people like Adolf Krebs, who moved to England and has a German father and German-Jewish mother, must be counted as British Jews given that British means anyone who is a citizen of Great Britain. 141.211.251.69 00:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'm unhappy with the whole category, I don't feel it is appropriate or helpful to categorise any member of one particular nationality according to their creed - whether it reveals ethnic origin or not. Religion is a personal thing, are we to put Winston Churchill into Category:Church of England or members thereof ? Giano 20:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Btw, I recently saw a large genealogy chart which indicated that some of Churchill's ancestors were Jewish. :) -- kosboot (talk) 00:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• This isn't about Judaism the religion but Jews as an ethnic group, more than anything.

The list is useful. I used it when writing an essay about Jewish entertainers. I can see why it could be considered to be inappropriate, however, especially in the Jewish context.

The problem I see is that the British Jews and English Jews categories overlap. For example the actress Rachel Weisz is listed in the English Jews section but not in the British Jews section. All English Jews are also British Jews, so all people in the English Jews section should also be listed in the British Jews section.80.42.182.163 14:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is this even a category? If it is to remain then wouldn't it be necessary to have English:Every religion going categories? Seems absolutely pointless ClimberDave (talk) 10:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally I'm a bit baffled about what automated process of deduction got me wound up on this list as I'm born in Scotland with an Anglican mother and never attended any religious service of any kind in my life... Bemused might be more the word - the whole thing seems like a recipe for trouble and mischief. The best way not to cause offence by leaving a club is not to be joined up by someone else in the first place ;) DeeKay8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DEEKAY8 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Two reasons to retain this, but not to include (for example) English Anglicans. 1. Judaism is an ethnic and cultural designation, as well as a religious one. So if we were to have a category for Black English people, it seems only fair to have one for English Jews. 2. Also, Jews represent a relatively small proportion of the population of England. "English Anglicans" would be a huge and unwieldy classification; "English Jews" (or "English Muslims", "English Methodists", even "English Catholics") would be smaller. PrivateSponge (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

English Jews vs. British Jews

I agree that "Jews from England" would be a more precise wording. But I see there is this category "English Jews" and there is also "British Jews." Is there a difference? I would think not, and that the two should be combined. -- kosboot (talk) 05:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

==There is an important distinction between calling someone an English Jew and a British Jew. English Jews are a sub-category of British Jews. For example, a Scottish Jew such as Norman Terret would be a British Jew, but NOT an English Jew. Welsh Jews, such as Danny Abse, would be British Jews but not English Jews. Ulster Jews, such as Harry Taub, would be Northern Irish and British Jews, but not English Jews. Harold Pinter, on the other hand is both a British and an English Jew.

Signed: E.A. Weinstein —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.206.145 (talk) 05:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

Should Tom Maschler be added to this list ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.184.70 (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)