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- We have identified BLPs as a special class of articles which have unique rules. We might designate other classes, for example anything that is "living" such as currently-sold products, companies less than X years old, etc.. and hold them to a different threshold of notability due to their status as being prone to abuse by impossible to detect PR efforts. First step is look at a known UPE corpus of articles and classify articles into common classes that are unique enough to set them apart. -- GreenC 01:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- We've raised the sourcing standards for WP:CORP not too long ago. Spammers don't care about notability and will submit their spam anyway. WP:BLP hasn't stopped UPE spam either. Spam pages need to be evaluated at WP:AFD. This is problematic for two reasons - AFD has a finite capacity and it also has been infiltrated by spammers voting to keep their own articles and delete those of their competitors. That said, I agree with your point in part - we should start by adapting and applying the stringent sourcing requirements of WP:CORP to biographies. MER-C 10:38, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- Regarding apply NCORP-equivalent rules to BLP articles has really obvious arguments in favour of it, there are benefits of the field-specific rules as well (now if you can find some more people to support a future effort to rewrite NSPORTS to be less absurdly generous I'll be the first one there). Regarding GreenC's suggestion, it's not that they're impossible to detect - if they were, AfD (or any equivalent) would be pointless. It's that they take experienced editor time to assess and, if need be, fix - and as we are all too aware, that's Wikipedia's ultimate bottleneck resource. One minor change to start with is just reminding both reviewers and patrollers that products are held to the same rules as NCORP. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- "... AFD has a finite capacity and it also has been infiltrated by spammers voting to keep their own articles and delete those of their competitors..." Exactly. All it takes is for one editor to have a page on watch when an AfD is proposed and he/she will rally responses. Consensus will then appear to support retention. One example of this was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sew Fast Sew Easy (2nd_nomination): A small neighborhood store with puff added by one of the store's principals. It's been closed for years yet still had a loyal base who rallied to its support. Blue Riband► 13:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Regarding apply NCORP-equivalent rules to BLP articles has really obvious arguments in favour of it, there are benefits of the field-specific rules as well (now if you can find some more people to support a future effort to rewrite NSPORTS to be less absurdly generous I'll be the first one there). Regarding GreenC's suggestion, it's not that they're impossible to detect - if they were, AfD (or any equivalent) would be pointless. It's that they take experienced editor time to assess and, if need be, fix - and as we are all too aware, that's Wikipedia's ultimate bottleneck resource. One minor change to start with is just reminding both reviewers and patrollers that products are held to the same rules as NCORP. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- We've raised the sourcing standards for WP:CORP not too long ago. Spammers don't care about notability and will submit their spam anyway. WP:BLP hasn't stopped UPE spam either. Spam pages need to be evaluated at WP:AFD. This is problematic for two reasons - AFD has a finite capacity and it also has been infiltrated by spammers voting to keep their own articles and delete those of their competitors. That said, I agree with your point in part - we should start by adapting and applying the stringent sourcing requirements of WP:CORP to biographies. MER-C 10:38, 30 November 2019 (UTC)