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Discrimination

Discrimination is a term relative to every situation in life and cuts across, race, language,color,socio-economic factors , politics and religions. A standard of differentaition adopted to balance lack of knowledge ,understanding and complexity of a race's,socio-economic,cultural,religious and political system.×××× —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingsleylive (talk • contribs) 04:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Anarchism at GAH

Anarchism has been nominated for Good Article status. I have assessed it and placed in on hold so that some points I have raised can be dealt with. I see the article has this project's tag, so am informing people here. My comments are at Talk:Anarchism/GA1.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Radicalization: article needs expansion, generalization

I've just expanded the stub article on radicalization, using the obvious low-hanging references relating to Islamic radicalization. However, as a result the article has an excessive emphasis on recent Islamic militancy and terrorism. It badly needs expanding to include other cases of radicalization -- for example, historical communist and fascist movements, as well as historically unimportant groups such as ecoterrorists, the Red Brigades and 19th century and early 20th century militant anarchism -- as well as taking a look at the resemblances and differences between these cases; there must be scholarly research on this. -- The Anome (talk) 17:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Ethnoreligious group

I'm posting this note here to request help with the article at Ethnoreligious group, that has a template from this Wikiproject on the talk page. The article currently has no sources for the definition of the term, and there is talk page discussion about a possible merge with Ethnic religion. If anyone here is interested in this topic, please join the discussion or add sources to the page. Thanks. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 00:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC) --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 00:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Relative Trust

The eyes of one or a few experts would be very welcome here. Thanks! --Crusio (talk) 17:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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deletion nomination of Template:Abuse

Listing this here to get more eyes on this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Reassess Forced Prostitution article

Hey guys. A significant amount of work has been done to the Forced Prostitution article by me among others, is it possible for it to be re-assessed? It doesn't seem that this will ever get looked at on the Sexology and sexuality pages. Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 01:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

type of mortality

What is the term for the situation when an improvement in one cause of death leads to an increase in other causes of death. It is ____ mortality. Thanks, Kevin Byrne 99.171.182.125 (talk) 04:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

RFC for Another Gospel

Please see Talk:Another_Gospel#RfC:_NPOV_and_article_Another_Gospel. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Perception

Dear all,

I’ve been trying to help folks who were trying to articulate the latest knowledge on Perception article, but my suggestions did not help much. On top of that, some little egos managed to erode even that little clarity we had.

I have decided, therefore, to simply rewrite the article on the basis of currently available knowledge in the following disciplines: cognitive and developmental psychology, medicine (especially genetics), anthropology, sociology, philosophy and complex (adaptive) systems theory with emphasised references to non-monotonic logics. I am contemplating few other disciplines, but these will suffice for the beginning.

I have drafted the lead into the article and the draft can be found on the related discussion page. I am calling now for comments and contributions backed by the latest science and the latest contemporary philosophical thought. My only condition is clarity and brevity wherever possible. If you find other possible references, they will be welcomed too.

Kind regards, Damir Ibrisimovic (talk) 22:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Semi-periphery_countries GA review

I have put the GA review of Semi-periphery countries on hold as I feel based on a source check that there is a possibility the information as presented could be unreliable. I would like an expert on the subject to check over the article before resuming the review. See Talk:Semi-periphery countries/GA2. SilkTork *^YES! 12:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Child Poverty

Have tried to clean up the Child Poverty article. Most of the information came straight out of UNICEF. If anyone can add anything further that would be great. AIRcorn (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Stereotypes of white people

Would welcome imput on the talk page disputes, as well as the requested page move. BillMasen (talk) 11:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Alternative lifestyle

Would someone take a look at one of the project's articles Alternative lifestyle. It just seems to be a completely unsourced collection of things that Alf Garnet would disapprove of. Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 10:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Can it not be deleted? Zujine (talk) 15:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD:Reverse scientific method

Please, go make your voice heard in the discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reverse scientific method! Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 13:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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It is interesting that this list is empty, yet Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sociology/Cleanup_listing#BLP_articles_lacking_sources is not. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

DASHBot lists BLP's with no sources while the Cleanup listing lists BLP's requiring more sources. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 20:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

User_talk:DASHBot/Wikiprojects#New_wolterbot_stats Thanks for alerting me to this Piotrus! Okip 23:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of African American culture

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article following its listing at Wikipedia:Good articles/Cleanup listing#Articles with 4 cleanup categories assigned. You are being notified as this project's banner is on the article talk page. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:African American culture/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup listing

Good news - Walterbot finally generated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Cleanup listing. Well, good news as in the only reward for good work... :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Sociology barnstar

We could use our own WikiProject award. Anybody with graphical skills good enough to make one? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Request for review of draft article

Folks, would one of the regulars here have time to review a draft article? It is at User:AgRince/Social Science Research on Greatness. The article was previously in mainspace but after I sent it to Afd, at the request of the creator I moved it to userspace for further work. The creator has done some more work on it and left a couple of requests for feedback, the most recent at WP:Requests for feedback#User:AgRince/Social Science Research on Greatness. If someone would take a look at it and respond at WP:FEED, perhaps also leaving a {{Feedbackreply}} on the user's talk page, that would be great. Thanks in advance. – ukexpat (talk) 13:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I left a comment at User_talk:AgRince#Your_request_for_feedback. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

New userboxes

I've created sociologist professional userbox, and added the sociology interest userbox I found. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sociology. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:44, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Missing topics

I've updated my list of missing topics related to social matters - Skysmith (talk)¨

Interesting. What were the criteria for selecting terms to include in it? Also, you may want to reneme it from User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Social customs to User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Social issues (I am a stickler for naming :D). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I used mostly offline sources like books, including dictionaries. If you think something does not merit an article, tell it in the list page - Skysmith (talk) 08:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

The Sociology of Law

I have expanded and structured the entry on the Sociology of law which was previously classed as "less than a stub". It now needs to be reassessed and discussed. Please visit Sociology of law and comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Banakar (talk • contribs) 15:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Anybody can reassess the article. Mind you, the article was a start-class, that is not less, but more than a stub. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Assessment. PS. I have moved your post to the bottom of this page because on Wikipedia we use bottomposting. At this point I think the article is between start/C, possibly B - but it has a bunch of Manual of Style issues (it needs wikifying, copyediting, standarizing of references, etc.). Thanks for your help, and I hope you'll keep on improving it! Also, welcome to the project! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Centre for Contemporary Cultural Studies at Articles for deletion

See the debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centre for Contemporary Cultural Studies. AllyD (talk) 22:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Social movements

Would there be editors interested in developing such a Wikiproject? Please direct reples here so we can centralize the discussion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I left a positive reply here. Has there been any further developments about this idea or something similar? FloNight♥♥♥♥ 15:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

No, but I will reply at Talk:Social_movement#WikiProject_Social_Movements. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Social_movements. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Sociology of peace, war, and social conflict

This pitiful stub needs attention. Yes, there is an ASA section dedicated to the subject, but the term is virtually unused outside of one ASA sponsored publication ([1]). I wonder if this article wouldn't be better of deleted, and shouldn't we instead create three stubs: sociology of conflict (over 700 GPrint hits, currently a redirect to conflict theory), sociology of war (660 hits) and sociology of peace (- 220 hits) (or sociology of war and peace - 460 hits, with sociology of peace and war coming second at 87 hits). (There is also a larger umbrella Peace and conflict studies). Please note that sociology of war is not the same as sociology of the military. Also, some time ago I stubbed sociology of war on pl wiki (pl:Socjologia wojny).

Perhaps the current sociology of peace, war, and social conflict could remain as a parent to the others "to be written" articles? I am just not sure how notable is it as a collection of subjects; I am particularly uneasy about the conceptual merger of general "social conflict" with "war and peace". Any thoughts?

For now I will just create a bunch of redirects to this article, but this is strictly a temporary solution. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment

I have proposed merging Ashkenazi intelligence to Ashkenazi Jews. Weigh in at, Talk:Ashkenazi intelligence. Also in particular, weigh in on one user's points, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ashkenazi_intelligence#More_sociology.2C_less_biology.21 I thought his line of questioning needed more discussion. ScienceApe (talk) 19:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Renaming Category:Branches of sociology into Category:Subfields of sociology

Per the subfields of sociology article and Category:Subfields by academic discipline. FYI. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Agree that this would be a good move to make. A subfield is a more appropriate designation than branch for these areas. All the "Sociology of" would be subfields. To me a branch is different and would be something more along the lines of "Social Psychology" or "Linguistics", but even those are not exactly branches but mature areas of study that are the combined outgrowth of sociology and other fields. FloNight♥♥♥♥ 17:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I made the rename request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Our Tasks

This section of the project is quite obsolete, I suggest we redo it. Wikipedia:Article alerts would be a good tool to implement (unfortunately, it just went down for an indefinite period :( ). At this point I'd suggest removing the very arbitrary sections like "Very general articles" and "Theories/sub-fields/topics" (which is a quite useless dupe of subfields of sociology, Outline of sociology or Index of sociology articles. Those long lists are taking attention away from the really useful stuff (like the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sociology/Cleanup_listing). The "Articles needing review" section seems nice but in needs more visibility (I have just discovered it, anybody here actually monitors it...?). How about moving it to a subpage that would be visible both there and at the top of our discussion page? (I would also like to suggest our own B- and A- class reviews but that requires a higher level of activity then I am seeing now; anybody here would be willing to take parts in such reviews?). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Social science

If you haven't, I highly suggesting watchlisting this page. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sociological positivism

This article urgently needs improving!

Comment: the article was now merged to positivism. See Talk:Positivism#Sociological_positivism and User_talk:Tomsega#Sociological_positivism. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Active participants

I think we should do our own census or otherwise see how many participants are active. It is something I've been doing periodically for other projects I am (was) involved in. It helps to transform this list into something more meaningful. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I have started a roll call. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Participants. All members of the project will be receiving a message from me shortly. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

So it'd appear we have about 8 active members. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Change logo of wikiproject

The current wikiproject logo is actually an icon from Microsoft Windows Vista. I think that's a little embarrassing. Would anyone mind if I changed it to a logo similar to the one I made for the portal bar? DarwinPeacock (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

You are probably right we shouldn't be using the Vista one. For a possible list of logos, see commons:Category:Symbol socio. I am not sure which logo you refer (portal bar?). Out of the ones in the commons category, my favorite is File:Sociologielogo.png. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I like Sociologielogo, too, but it is too low-res for that size unfortunately. I was talking about File:SNA_segment.png. I can make something like it but in the appropriate color scheme/shape/size after the semester is over.DarwinPeacock (talk) 06:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Sociology

As some of you may know, we have a portal. It doesn't look half bad, but there are missing sections: in particular, we need sociological images and news. We could also develop more biographies, quotes and did you know selections. Anybody interested? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(Social) conflict (theory)

We have currently three articles that I think may be overlapping to some degree:

• Social conflict
• Social conflict theory
• Conflict theory

Should be consider some form of a merge? PS. I also created a disambig at sociology of conflict (which potentially may need to be its own article, too). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I support the merge, and think Social conflict should carry the weight since there are aspects outside of theory. But I figure that's a given. Xavexgoem (talk) 04:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Anybody else would like to chip in? We do have 8 supposedly active members, now... :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I support the merge as well, though I think eventually there should be two different pages here. Social conflict and conflict theory are slightly different topics. Not all theories of conflict have to be conflict theories--only those that take the conflict as a fundamental issue are. For example, "conflict theories" include marxist/feminist/etc theories, while "social conflict" can also viewed from the perspective of social psychology, which is not a conflict theory. For now though, the material isn't there, so one page may be fine. DarwinPeacock (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S., I think Sociology of peace, war, and social conflict should be merged in, too. The ASA section can just be noted on the Social conflict page.DarwinPeacock (talk) 08:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we could split & shuffle the content now to retain the two separate articles? Regarding the sociology of peace... I'd suggest rewritting it into sociology of peace and war myself (which is a specialized and notable topic). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Two articles works for me. The "Social conflict" one might become a bit of a stub then at this point. And agreed about sociology of peace and war--it seems to refer to inter-society conflicts while the other ones refer to intra-society ones. DarwinPeacock (talk) 05:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

So - anybody willing to the dirty work and merge / move content around? I can try to do something about the soc of peace and war in the future. PS. DP, I like your inter/intra distinction, will add it to that article if you don't do it first :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

"Normal type"?

You people really NEED to read this edit summary. Michael Hardy (talk) 23:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh God. That article is absolutely unreadable. Is anyone versed in the material willing to translate Normal type into Human? DarwinPeacock (talk) 21:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Hehe :) I needed that. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Request for Comment at Talk:Judaism regarding the term "religion"

Please see the following request for comment. Talk:Judaism#Should_the_term_.22religion.22_appear_descriptively_in_the_first_sentence.3F. Input would be much appreciated.Griswaldo (talk) 04:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Content/flow of title article

See a question I posted on Talk:Sociology#Article getting too long. I am arguing that the article needs to be turned into more of a summary narrative. Please read and give your feedback. DarwinPeacock (talk) 18:34, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Social movements subproject

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Social movements. Thoughts and comments appreciated! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as there is little interest, I am now considering creating a social movement task force within WikiProject Sociology. Thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I have created a task force: Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Social movements task force. My next step is to get the task force assessment system working and start assessing the articles from Category:Social movements. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Terrorism at peer review

A new portal Portal:Terrorism is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Terrorism/archive1. I put a bit of work into this and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

RFC at List of Scientologists

Request for Comment at page, List of Scientologists. Please see discussion on talk page, at "RfC: Should people be self-proclaimed Scientologists in order to be included on this list?" Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Most popular pages

I am requesting a listing of most popular pages in care of our project. Soon we should have the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Popular pages page populated, and it will look like this one. PS. If you want to add such a listing to other projects, the instructions are here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Who cares?

Who cares if the "Sociology of race and ethnic relations" page doesn't represent a worldview of the subject? This is the english language wikipedia. I think it's okay to focus on western society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.88.170 (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments please on AFD for superficial charm

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Superficial charm --Penbat (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Featured portal candidate - Portal:Terrorism

• Portal:Terrorism

This portal is currently being considered for Featured Portal status. Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Terrorism. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 01:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Computer/technology/web/net/online/digital literacy

I've noticed that we have a profusion of overlapping articles on various "literacies": Technological literacy, Electracy, Transliteracy, Multimedia literacy, Computer literacy, Information literacy, Media literacy, Information and media literacy, Digital literacy, Multiliteracy, New literacies, Web-based new literacies, Transmediation, Computers and writing... I think that's the lot. I think many of these articles need merging together, and a lot of cleanup is needed on most of them. Any help would be appreciated. Fences&Windows 18:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Intelligence Citations Bibliography for Articles in Scope of This Project

I'm posting here on the project talk page to let all of you know that I'm eager to hear your comments on a citations list on human intelligence I've put up as a subpage to my user page. The idea is to improve articles within the scope of WikiProject Sociology (e.g., Race and intelligence, currently the subject of an Arbitration Committee case) by sharing citations to reliable sources. You can help by suggesting additional reliable sources to add to the list. I have at hand Pitirim Sorokin's book from before I was born to add to the citations list, and I note that two men academically trained in sociology, James R. Flynn and Charles Murray, have become some of the most visible authors on human intelligence issues, so I'm sure many participants here will have good ideas for additions to the list. Thanks for any suggestions you have. Feel free to use the list to find citations to improve articles all over Wikipedia. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 04:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Renaming Structural functionalism article

Functionalism, is an important sociological concept. Currently there is an article titled "Structural functionalism," which seems to me to be a bit of a misnomer, as I regard structural functionalism as a further development (some might say sub-set) of functionalism. The article is classed as a "high importance" article for sociology. There is currently a proposal for renaming the article on the article talk page. Your comments would be most welcome. Sunray (talk) 23:52, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Religion and sex integration and Sex segregation and religion

Religion and sex integration and Sex segregation and religion need serious revision. I've already cut out a lot of redundant cut-and-paste material, and what is left looks like two halves of a set of notes for an early draft for an essay, rather than an encyclopedia article. I suggest that they first need to be merged, and then extensively revised, to create a single coherent article. -- The Anome (talk) 12:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Origin of sex segregation looks like it is need of similar treatment. -- The Anome (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

The modern capitalisation of the interpersonal relations

In the current article on "Interpersonal Relations" the only mention/definition of capitalisation is the following quote: People often turn to others to share their good news (termed “capitalization”). (under the headline: "Capitalizing on positive events")

What i miss (and it might be a completely separate topic) is information concerning the modern pecuniary capitalisation [of the IR] as examplified by (virtual) social relations through media such as Facebook, phone companies and dating services etc. 87.51.147.41 (talk) 08:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)