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Description of "Record against selected opponents" edit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There are a lot of articles' "Record against selected opponents" which has a description of: "Record against Year-end Finals finalists, World Championships semi finalists, and Olympic quarter finalists" (e.g. Shi Yuqi, Zhao Junpeng and Anthony Sinisuka Ginting). However, according to Cambridge Dictionary, Collins and here in the section "Is semifinalist one word or two?", the proper spelling of "semi finalist" is "semi-finalist" (or "semifinalist"), while "semi finalist" is just 1. an improper spelling way mainly used in Britain (according to Cambridge) or 2. wrong (according to Collins and "Quarter-finalist" is also the same case (for verification: 1, 2 (there are no entries for "quarter finalist")).

Therefore, I am proposing to change all descriptions to "Record against Year-end Finals finalists, World Championships semi-finalists, and Olympic quarter-finalists", which is the same as the description in Chen Long, Saina Nehwal, etc. Zoglophie, Florentyna, Aleenf1, Yogwi21, Phenol123, Oahid, IssacT6, Stvbastian and Fahrurozi.86, please give your opinion on this. Thank you! Timothytyy (talk) 13:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1.   Agree --Florentyna (talk) 13:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ok i am agree with you Fahrurozi.86 (talk) 13:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comments: Tournament bracket is "quarter-finals", "semi-finals", so shouldn't distinctive here. --Aleenf1 14:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support. Semi/quarter with the dash is the right way to write in English. Oahid (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support. Well supported by other notable sources. issac, (my talk page 🗣) 13:27, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

As no one opposes this change, I will start changing the description in articles now. It would be nice if you can help out too. If Yogwi21, Phenol123 or anyone objects this change, please reply here.

As per Aleenf1, the correct spelling of semi/quarter-final(ist) is not only applicable for the proposal we are discussing, but also for other places, such as the players' career section. Please help modify those. Thank you for your cooperation! Timothytyy (talk) 07:29, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mass draftification proposal regarding Olympians edit

You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please update WP:NBAD edit

See NSPORT talk page. Timothytyy (talk) 10:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See new proposal. Timothytyy (talk) 02:10, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All members, please participate in the discussion on deciding the fate of NBAD. Timothytyy (talk) 04:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Project-independent quality assessments edit

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However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Clarification of this project's purpose and NBAD edit

Greetings all members, as some members seem to misunderstand the purpose of this project and the how NBAD works, I am here for clarification.

This WikiProject: According to the main page, one of the goals for this project is to standardize all badminton related articles. Therefore, letting this WikiProject's articles fail the pillar of notability, i.e. GNG, is embarrassing and unacceptable. This project's goal is NOT to save every article that is not notable, or to create its own guideline which is completely contradicting to the pillars of Wikipedia. Deleting standard-failing articles shall be encouraged, and it is not a way to damage the project, but helping it to improve.

NBAD: NBAD is one of the guidelines in NSPORT, NSPORT is one of the SNGs, and SNG is one of the notability guidelines. Quoting from SNG, articles which pass an SNG may still be deleted or merged into another article, especially if significant coverage cannot be found. Quoting from NSPORT's bolded keywords, the article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline, and another quote, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept.. Therefore, passing NBAD does NOT guarantee an article, it is just a reference for whether coverage likely exists. Per FAILN, if appropriate sources cannot be found after a good-faith search for them, they can be deleted. So, SIGCOV is still the only way of determining notability; NBAD is just a reference.

If anyone is uncertain about this, please check all the discussions about SNG and NSPORT, e.g. this lengthy discussion on NSPORT. Shall there be any objections on my clarification, feel free to reply here or leave me a talk message here. Shall there be any objections on the guidelines themselves, please start a discussion on the relevant talk page(s). Thank you very much. Timothytyy (talk) 13:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Timothytyy comment on Scott Sankey article edit

I don't know why User:Timothytyy made this statement on Scott Sankey article: "Fails GNG, NBAD and BIO. Only achievement was reaching the final at a non-important International Series event. ...." He seemed to underestimate a tournament sanctioned by BWF. Maybe, you think the Slovak Open didn't important, but for badminton players and others badminton editors they really appreciate it. Before reached world #1, Nadieżda Zięba, also played at that tournament. European Games gold medalists, Selena Piek, also played at that tournament. So, please be polite with your statement. Stvbastian (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Stvbastian Wikipedia is not a database, it is a website which is bssed on third-party sources. If there is no WP:SIGCOV, the tournament won't be notable. If you can find sources providing SIGCOV for that subject, I will remove my tag. Also your statements like "Selena Piek played..." is WP:OTHERSTUFF, you are mixing up notability and achievements. Timothytyy (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding "please be polite", can you explain why you AFDed Zhu Yijun (badminton)? Numerous world no.1s participated at the WJC. Don't contradict yourself.

Please don't confuse others with your achievement-based notability instead of policy-based, i.e. GNG and SNG. Timothytyy (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Timothytyy i don't need your explanation about what Wikipedia is.. But, your statement: "Only achievement was reaching the final at a non-important International Series event. ...." You indirectly said that the Slovenia Open is not an important tournament. Please lah my statement not out of otherstuff or mixing up. Here i questioning about your underestimate statement of badminton tournaments not about sng or gng. Oops, i think you are who mix things up here.. the discusion of Zhi Yujin article have been closed, if you feel dissatisfied, read the conclusion of the discussion again.. After I read your statements above, i think there is disappointment here because the article youve made was deleted. Calm your self and be positive. :) Stvbastian (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok I ask your opinion, do you think WJC or Slovak Open is more notable? Also thanks for not removing the PROD tag without any reason. Whether a tournament is "important" or not is subjective, so sorry for my subjective statement. Hope my removal of that phrase can resolve your concerns. Timothytyy (talk) Timothytyy (talk) 05:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know where you want to direct this discussion. don't play words with me lah.. You should asked me, do u think Selena Piek or Zhu Yijun is more notable? And you know the answer. Stvbastian (talk) 11:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You used Selena Piek as a proof that the tournament is notable, I use Chen Qingchen, two-time World Junior and three-time World champion, to prove that WJC is notable. Why would I compare Selena Piek and Zhu Yijun? You AFDed Zhu but I didn't AFD Piek. What is the point of the comparison??? Also wasn't your concern "please be polite with your statement"? Why is "Hope my removal of that phrase can resolve your concerns." off topic? Timothytyy (talk) 11:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please lah don't play words.. Seems like there were hidden disappointment in this discussion. I never said tht WJC is not important. i just commenting about ur statement that underestimate badminton tournament. Ill give u example: how if Chen Qingchen only won WJC and never won BWF tour or World championships? oc the article will be deleted. For a long time, badminton players who only won junior title always been deleted.. I and Zoglophie have experienced the same thing.. Even Zoglophie deleted article that he create himself (as i know). And we do believe, tht players tht only won junior title should wait until the players won the senior title so we can create wiki article (per toosoon, nbad). Stvbastian (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never said that Zhu Yijun is notable, I am just feeling strange about your awkward comparison. Anyway, I believe I have solved your original concern by changing the PROD reason, see if you have other queries, I am willing to answer. Timothytyy (talk) 14:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup.. take your time to rest, dont push your self too much, dont hide ur disappointment, do not hold anger and grudges when ur article being deleted. And dont forget next time be polite and positive with your statement.. Thanks :) Stvbastian (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What do you mean by "dont hide ur disappointment, do not hold anger and grudges when ur article being deleted"? You want me to burst out? Wow that's so polite from you. If I burst out just because of you then I am really dumb. Timothytyy (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Naming conventions in badminton-related articles edit

Please check Stvbastian's message to understand the common naming mistakes. If you are not sure about the naming conventions, you can check the country-specific naming conventions, e.g. Chinese. You are also recommended to check the gadget "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" at the "appearance" section of the "gadgets" section of your own preferences, so that you can easily know which links are pointing towards disambiguation pages (the links are usually incorrect). Thank you. Timothytyy (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Major RfC on capitalization of all our articles edit

I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.

Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]