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Question for a librarian who knows a lot about Google booksEdit
I'm double checking some references that I got from google books, but it won't give me access to content that I previously had access to. Does anyone know why I can't 're-access' content? I know that I'm not imagining things...
The Wikipedia Library Card PlatformEdit
Is anyone else having trouble with this? It appears not to work at all when accessed from a cellphone. I've just been refused access to Taylor and Francis because I "won't respond". But it's not that I won't respond but that I can't. Here's a comment I wrote (from a laptop) there: "I've been accessing this page from my phone, as I get an email about every 10 minutes saying there's a comment needed. None of what you wrote or I wrote shows up there, just a blank box marked 'Discussion' and an "Add comment' button that makes anything you write in that box disappear. Now accessing from a laptop. What might actually be useful here is a list of the various subscriptions a user has, with the expiry date of each. I know that some are now self-renewing, but I don't know which they are. My Taylor & Francis "Access" page shows many journals with the access period "19 Dec 2016". I have no idea what that means, but my log-in seems still to work. Do I have, or can I get, access to both the arts and the life sciences T&F packages?".
Can anyone tell me:
- whether the platform/site is going to be fixed, and if so, when
- whether or not my access to T&F content has expired, and if so when, and
- whether there's any other way of asking for it to be renewed
- whether it's possible to receive access to both packages
- whether there's anywhere where I can see what resources I have access to, and – most important – when they expire; or
- how to request automatic renewal of those various resources.
I'm truly grateful for all the work that people put into making this whole scheme work. It seems a pity for it to be hampered by a non-functional website. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:16, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Justlettersandnumbers: Sorry to hear you're having these issues! We're not aware of some of the issues you're reporting so I'd appreciate if you could provide some extra information. Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say the website doesn't work on mobile - can you not load it up at all, or do you have a problem doing something specific like logging in or applying for access. Additionally, what device and browser are you using when you get this issue?
- Looking through the admin logs on the site, I'm also not seeing emails sent every 10 minutes to you. You have received quite a number of emails over the past month, but that's because you applied to many different partners, some of which received comments from the coordinator. I did, while investigating this, notice a bug with comment email content, however, which we'll fix soon: Phab:T190048.
- A list of subscriptions with expiry date would be useful - I agree - but unfortunately it's just not feasible at this time. There are many variables that go into your account's exact expiry date and we just can't keep up with them all for every user/publisher. Your account might initially last for a year, but since most accounts are sent off to be set up by the publisher it's hard for us to know the exact date it will expire. Additionally your account might be renewed, either automatically to a certain date or manually by you. This renewal might extend the date by one year or reset to one year from when you renew. Unfortunately we just can't track all this for every user. We're aware that the website currently tells you explicitly when it thinks your account will expire, even if that might not be accurate - we plan to remove this explicit statement system (Phab:T177472). I'll also look into whether we can improve the communication of expected expiry dates generally.
- We are, however, in the process of building out authentication-based access. Under this system most of our partnerships will have their setup handled by us, meaning we can tell you exactly when your accounts will expire.
- @AnthroMimus: Can you shed any light on the current status of this users' T&F subscription(s)?
- I appreciate that the system is a bit frustrating at the moment, it's in a transition phase of being centralised but without the authentication access component! Thanks for all your feedback - I especially hope that we can solve the mobile view issue. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for a detailed reply, Samwalton9 (WMF). "Every 10 minutes" was just a hyperbole – I got a lot of emails saying "there's a new comment", but when I went to look, the discussion was still blank, exactly as before. Nikkimaria has, with my agreement, now passed my email address to the developer of the site, so I'll do my best to explain the problem to him/her. However, in brief: when I use my laptop to follow the link from the email I received on 13 March ("Your Wikipedia Library application has been denied"), I can see the discussion between AnthroMimus and myself in full; when I use my iPhone (which is where I habitually read email) to follow the same link from the same email, there's nothing between "Discussion" and the "Comment" box. Anything I write in that box just disappears. It's extremely frustrating, and to my chagrin I find that I've allowed some of that frustration to affect the tone of my comments there – AnthroMimus, please excuse me for that! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Adding journals to spam whitelistEdit
There's a great suggestion Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Whitelisting_sites_for_newbies here to expand use of a facility in Mediawiki to list sites that are generally reliable sources and low risk for spam. It would be great to add all the websites in the Wikipedia library's collection to that whitelist. Can anyone create a list of the Wikipedia Library's websites? Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Clayoquot: Sure, and that definitely does sound like a good idea! I've compiled a list of the domains for TWL partners below, along with a few extra at the bottom that come to mind as obvious additions:
Library Card Platform updateEdit
Hi everyone - just wanted to post a quick update about some changes we just made to the Library Card platform! I've summarised the major updates below:
- You can now filter the Browse page by language or topic - we appreciate that this page isn't super easy to navigate but hope that these filtering options should help you find what you need!
- On your User page, the site no longer tells you when your accounts have expired, and instead you can always send a request for the renewal of your account (if renewals are available for that publisher). Before now, we estimated that an account given to you for a publisher lasted for a year, and at the end of that year told you categorically 'Your account has expired'. This was rarely accurate and gave a false sense of when exactly your account actually needed renewing - that's information we don't often have on a per-user basis, so for now we're leaving it up to you to request renewals when needed.
- On partner pages (e.g. https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/24/) the Apply button will change based on whether you have an open or accepted application, allowing you to either view your open application or renew an approved one.
Routledge History of FeminismEdit
I recently had a couple of days trial with the Routledge History of Feminism (which was offered because of my access to Taylor & Francis resources through the WP Library). I found this dedicated resource hugely useful, and provided a larger amount of information than is normally accessible through Taylor & Francis. Would someone be able to examine if we would be able to get access to this specialist data source? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I am still waiting for my access to Newspaperarchive.com as promised in an email. I still have no access. I requested it in 2017. "We are happy to inform you that your application has been approved. You can expect to receive details about how to access this source within a week or two. Cheers! The Wikipedia Library" from "Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:12 PM". Where is my login and password? Every time I write an inquiry, I get a response weeks or months later that someone will look into it. 4 months is a long time to wait for something that should be simple to take care of. This is my 4th time asking. --RAN (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Newspaperarchive.com accounts have been migrated from the original (i.e. here) signup procedure and to the new Wikipedia Library Card platform. It's possible your account got lost in the migration or something like that. The coordinator for Newspaperarchive.com accounts is Iazyges, but it's possible he only watches WP:Newspaperarchive.com, so I'm pinging him to see what's up. --Xover (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)