Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/Northern Cordilleran Volcanic Province/archive1

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Comment. Alt text done; thanks. Alt text is mostly present (thanks) but has some problems:

• Alt text is missing for the two images in the lead infobox. Please use the |image_alt= and |map_alt= parameters of {{Geobox}}.
• Much of the alt text cannot be verified from the images by a non-expert, and needs to be reworded and/or moved to the caption as per WP:ALT#Verifiability. Phrases with this problem include "volcano" (in "a large volcano looming"; a non-expert sees only a mountain), "A field of lava on a volcanic plateau in northwestern British Columbia.", "near the British Columbia-Yukon border", "in Hawaii", "A massive open volcano situated on a plateau consisting of a series of buttes and ridges.", "volcano" (in "Landscape of a large eroded volcano", in "A flat-topped steep-sided volcano", "A large conical volcano", "Jagged landscape of a volcano"), "Landscape of two large volcanoes, one in the center, and one in the upper-left corner.", and "A valley of solidified lava.". A good rule of thumb is to pretend you're describing the image to a non-expert over the phone; the descriptions should not repeat what's in the caption (see WP:ALT#Repetition).

Added the |image_alt= and |map_alt= parameters of {{Geobox}}. I don't know if I made the alt portions you mentioned worse or not but I took "volcano" out and reworded them. BT (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Two misspellings in "Ad diagram identifying 5 seperate".

Fixed. BT (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Normally I'd suggest transcribing into alt text the text in an image like File:Active Volcano Near Atlin, Alaska.jpg, as per WP:ALT#Text. But that image is purely text, and should therefore be removed and replaced with its text, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style #Avoid entering textual information as images. (Please don't transcribe the image's misleading and unnecessary copyright notice.)

Eubulides (talk) 07:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I copied the image text and removed the text image to create a quote about the eruption report. BT (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing all that. I tweaked the result a bit more, and it looks good now. Eubulides (talk) 22:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Image issues

• Oppose per criterion three:
  • File:Northern Cordilleran Volcanic Province map.jpg and File:NCVP seismic volcanoes.png - need verifiable sources per WP:IUP (these are both derivatives of File:Northwest-relief.jpg, whose source - USGS data - is inadequate).
  • File:Tuya Butte.jpg is a derivative of File:Laketuya.jpg, for which Mark C. Beere is indicated as the author. File:Tuya Butte.jpg should not be crediting "Randymaws" as the author, as s/he merely created a derivative. This may be a moot point, however, as the source of the original (here - note that the original image has a deadlink) says nothing about this image being in the public domain. What is the basis for that claim? The source's parent page explicitly claims that all rights are reserved.
  • File:NCVP map.png, File:Northern Cordilleran Volcanic Province map.jpg and File:NCVP seismic volcanoes.png - what is the source of activity/size/location/etc. data? Эlcobbola _talk 19:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

All of these images are based on existing volcano maps and the usage of coordinates, most of which are in the article's references. BT (talk) 19:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Black Tusk, Elcobbola knows his image copyrights. I suggest you just deal with his concerns. I'm willing to help if you need more images. — Ceranthor — continues after insertion below

I've struck the centre bullet, as the (copyvio) images have been deleted. Please add the necessary data source information ("existing volcano maps and the usage of coordinates, most of which are in the article's references") to the image summaries. Эlcobbola _talk 22:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright good enough. BT (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I added sources to all three images. BT (talk) 23:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The source issue for File:Northwest-relief.jpg still needs to be sorted out, as File:Northern Cordilleran Volcanic Province map.jpg and File:NCVP seismic volcanoes.png are derivatives thereof. Эlcobbola _talk 00:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I let User:Qyd know about this issue because he is the one that uploaded the image. I'll look around to see if I can find the image in any online USGS data. BT (talk) 01:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Not an issue: Map created with PD GIS data from the USGS, file is PD, please stop inventing problems. --Qyd (talk) 04:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. If something is public domain it's public domain and therefore it is fine to use it for whatever reason. If it's not public domain it's not public domain, and that is when problems start booming (e.g. like File:Tuya Butte.jpg). The source description on File:Northwest-relief.jpg says "USGS data" because, like Qyd said, it is a work of the United States Geological Survey. All data that originates from the United States Geological Survey is public domain. There is no problem with USGS images or information and the image is licenced with the proper {{PD-USGov-USGS}} template. BT (talk) 06:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Please read critically. This isn't an issue of whether USGS works are public domain. This is an issue of providing a verifiable source. How exactly does this add anything? How can a third party confirm this is indeed the work of the USGS? People misidentify authorship all of the time (e.g. "like like File:Tuya Butte.jpg). Prove that USGS is the author. The current sourcing is equivalent to sourcing a fact to "The New York Times"; what does that mean? What date? What issue? In this case, from what website did it come? From what GIS program was it extracted? Please feel free to ping me when the issue will be addressed maturely ("please stop inventing problems"); I've unwatched the page. Эlcobbola _talk 13:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you implying i used a false license? do you have any proof or reason for this serious accusation? i invested some of my precious time to create this image (and many other maps), and shared it with the community. now I have to spend more time to prove my work for anyone who's asking? man, you do make wikipedia suck!--Qyd (talk) 04:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Qyd, this is totally inappropriate. Elcobbola is also donating time and effort to this project, to ensure our images meet copyright requirements. I suggest you apologize and work together. Awadewit (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I do apologize. I also suggest that he/she assumes good faith and not presume the license is inappropriate. --Qyd (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Enough. This isn't the place for arguing over the licence/source of the image. I removed all images in the article that are derivatives of Northwest-relief.jpg and replaced them with images I created with given sources. The problem is over. BT (talk) 08:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

How about if I just remove the two images from the article? Then the problem would likely be over. BT (talk) 16:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

There you go. I created a highlight map for the NCVP to replace the (problematic) USGS-related NCVP map in the geobox and deleted the seismic activity map as well. BT (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)