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disbanded partyEdit

I have a question: why are File:Islamic Republican Party.jpg (dissolved in 1987) and File:National Democratic Party logo.jpg (banned in 2011) not free? Braganza (talk) 11:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The copyrights of organizations that may no longer exist or have been banned still are likely to be carried by a legal entity that took over authority on the closure of the entity. Unless it is clear that the rights were fully dissolved and put into the public domain, we assume these are still copyright by their age. --Masem (t) 12:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

BIO1E imagesEdit

I've sort of asked about this before in Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 69#Non-free images of crime victims as well as some other times, but I'm still wondring about non-free images of deceased individuals who are pretty much only mentioned on Wikipedia for WP:BIO1E reasons. The most examples I come across are mainly articles about crimes (usually pretty bad ones) where victims are mentioned by name or is some small detail, but nothing which would be sufficient enough to support a stand-alone article. The latest one I've stumbled upon is Redhead murders which has a montage of non-free images being used in the main infobox and a few others used in the body of the article. It's always a bit awkward (at least for me) to try and figure out what the best thing to do here because these tend to basically be images of people who were murdered and that were added because someone feels they should be remembered in some way (so that it's not a faceless crime). It would be great to discuss things dispassionately in terms of policy, but emotional arguments are probably impossible to avoid. The "Redhead murders" article is a bit odd in that there's a non-free photo of a hat of one of alleged victims being used in the main infobox, but the use of that particular file and rationale provided for it seem to have zero contextual relevance to the actual content of the article. That's a easy one to sort out perhaps, but the other images of the murdered women are also a bit iffy. They are mentjioned by name outside of the main infobox, but once again it's not clear whether these women would meet WP:BIO where a non-free image of them might be justified. There are lots of articles like this and maybe it's best in some ways to just leave them be, but at the same time it's also probably best (in some ways) to try and enforce the NFCC consistently project-wide and not create too many unwiritten exemptions (or at least not more than already kind of exist). -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I am pretty certain we get a number of FFD discussions on these files indeed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
If the BIO subject would not meet the requirements for a standalone article barring reasons laid out in BIO, then yes, a non-free image of that person would fail NFCC#8. There are exceptions that I could see, such as where a victim or the convicted person is not notable beyond the crime, but is extensively discussed in relation to the crime. For example, were the person ever caught and then later died, we would never likely have a separate article for the individual known as the Zodiac Killer from that article itself (per BLPCRIME), so a non-free of that person there would be reasonable. We have to be careful that these crime articles do not start looking like "memorials" and while inclusion of pictures are not always to that end that's a starting point. --Masem (t) 16:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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