Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Wilfred Clouston

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Wilfred Clouston (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wilfred Clouston was a New Zealand flying ace of the Royal Air Force during the Second World War. A contemporary of the likes of Cobber Kain, Alan Deere and Colin Gray, he is nowhere near as well known as he should be in New Zealand despite his aerial successes during the Battle of France and the following Battle of Britain. I wrote the article in March 2020 when I came across his online biography on the NZHistory and have been able to tap into a few book sources to beef up the content. It went through the GA process shortly afterwards and I have come back and made some revisions and done a little expansion work. As always, my thanks in advance to all those who stop by to provide feedback. Zawed (talk) 11:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA

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  • Wilfred Greville Clouston, known as Wilf, was born in Auckland known Wilf by whom? Or is this the same as the Dutch roepnaam?
  • the son of Allan and Vivienne Clouston No née?
  • Was he still in England from 1938 to the beginning of the war?
  • By this time, Clouston was married to Anne née Hyde Unlin née here if the first comment is addressed.
  • His wife was the daughter of an admiral of the Royal Navy We don't know who the Admiral was?
  • Soon after the German invasion of the Low Countries, No. 19 Squadron A "No." template is needed here.
  • Never mind it's not really important.
  • By August 1941, the British government had recognised the growing threat that the Japanese Empire presented to its territories in Asia and the New Zealand government No upper case for "government"?
  • There's a second "government too.
  • onto a variety of positions during his postwar RAF career Isn't it "post-war"?
  • Maybe standardise the hyphens in the ISBNs?

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Nick-D

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This is a very interesting article. I'd like to offer the following comments:

  • Do we know why he enlisted in the RAF rather than the RNZAF? (not that this was uncommon)
  • "Clouston proceeded to the Flying Training School" - can the school be named and linked?
  • The first sentence in the 'Second World War' section is a bit over-long
  • Can 'probable' be linked or explained?
  • Link 'section', 'flight'
  • "The majority of the flying personnel of this newly formed squadron, which operated Hawker Hurricanes, were New Zealanders" - was Clouston deliberately selected as the commander of this unit on this basis, or was it a coincidence?
  • "and had been sent to England to fly for the RAF" - I suspect he was sent to fly with the RAF, not for it (the various dominion air crews were posted to RAF units but remained members of their own air forces)
  • "the poor performance of the Buffaloes were even more exposed" - bit awkward. The problems with the Buffalos were also known from a much earlier stage, as the RAF and RAAF aircraft went into action against the Japanese in Malaya in December 1941 and were soon found to be inadequete.
  • What was 'RAF Air Operations Headquarters'? Was this part of the RAF Malaya command structure?
  • "Before his capture, he was still able to facilitate the evacuation of the remaining ground crew of the squadron from Singapore" - could you say how he did this? The text only notes how he fled.
  • Can anything more be said about Clouston's experiences as a POW?
  • Did Clouston return to the UK or NZ after the war?
  • "The RAF base at Khormaksar in Aden" - suggest rephrasing as 'RAF Khormaksar in Aden'
  • "were in the possession of the Waipukurau Returned and Services Association until its closure in December 2011" - the source says that this material was expected to be transferred to a "local museum" - do you know if that happened? Nick-D (talk) 05:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D, thanks for the review, much appreciated. I have responded above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those changes all look good, and I'm pleased to support this nomination. Nick-D (talk) 11:33, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7

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All looks good to me. Mind the gaps if you want to go to FAC. See if you can get hold of a copy of the 1950 RAF list. (You could also obtain his service record from the RAF.) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:59, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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  • Perhaps unsurprisingly I can find no formatting issues.
  • Cite 22: what is this supporting? Do you mean page 335?

Otherwise it all looks good. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:26, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for looking at this. That cite (22) is supporting the mention of Clouston's brother joining the RNZAF in 1940 (it's in footnote 1 on page 242 of Thompson). The rest is supported by Lambert. Zawed (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Usually when I am citing a footnote I say so. Possibly that's just me. Page 335 may be better for that. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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