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SMS Medusa (1864)

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SMS Medusa (1864) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Between Sturm and me, there've been a lot of battleships lately, so I figure it's time for something with flapping sails (even if it had a noisy steam engine too). Medusa was the second screw corvette ordered by Prussia in the early 1860s, but unlike Nymphe, the ship wasn't ready in time for the war with Denmark. She nevertheless had an interesting career, including testing an oven so the crew could bake fresh bread at sea, helping a US vessel and receiving an official "thank you" from Grant, and being trapped in Yokohama during the Franco-Prussian War. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article in preparation for an eventual run at FAC. Parsecboy (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

CommentsSupport by CPA-5

Long-time no steamship.

• No image of the ship? I mean, there should be one, because it'd expired the copyright laws in all countries?
  • I'm sure there is one somewhere, but I haven't been able to track any down with any source information. There's File:Korvette SMS MEDUSA der Kaiserlichen Marine Aufnahmeort und Aufnahmedatum unbekannt.jpg, but with no source or author information, we can't use it.
• during the Cretan Revolt against Ottoman rule Maybe pipe Ottoman to the Ottoman Empire.
  • Done
• she protected German citizens in Japan German citizens? Are we speaking about the ethic Germans or people from Germany because Germany didn't exist until 1871. Also, pipe Japan with Tokugawa shogunate here and pipe Japan in the next sentence to the Empire of Japan.
  • Good point - clarified
• and longer voyages to North, Central, and South America Link all the Americas here.
  • Done
• before continuing on to Japan Remove "on" here.
  • Done
• equipped immediately for a deployment to East Asia Remove "a" here.
  • I think the article is needed there
• Medusa initially stopped in Alexandria in Egypt before making Pipe Egypt to the Khedivate of Egypt.
  • Done
• where the crew could return to Germany Germany didn't unite so where exactly could they go.
  • Switched to "home"
• on 16 May 1869 and stopped briefly in Hong Kong Pipe Hong Kong to British Hong Kong.
  • Done
• at which point she went to Bangkok, Siam Link Siam here.
  • Done

• I also believe Bangkok should be unlinked here. Cheers.

• a German merchant vessel in the Mekong river Capitalise river here.
  • Done
• crossed the Indian Ocean Link Indian Ocean.
  • It's linked the first time, earlier in the article
• was to leave the West Indies for Lisbon, Portugal Pipe Portugal to the Kingdom of Portugal.
  • Done
• between the Great Powers in Paris, France Unlink Paris.
  • Done
• She reached Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on 15 December Unlink Rio de Janeiro.
  • Done
• then steamed north to Barbados Unlink Barbados.
  • Done
• The sources are appeared to be of high quality and reliable.

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks CPA. Parsecboy (talk) 12:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• @Parsecboy: Just added more comments here. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks again. Parsecboy (talk) 15:50, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed, although as per CPA I'm wondering whether an image of the ship might be available. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Nothing I've been able to track down, unfortunately. There's File:Korvette SMS MEDUSA der Kaiserlichen Marine Aufnahmeort und Aufnahmedatum unbekannt.jpg, but it has no source or author information, so we can't use it. Thanks Nikki. Parsecboy (talk) 12:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Based on Peacemaker's suggestion below, I cropped Willy Stower's illustation and added it to the article (here) - it's better than nothing! Parsecboy (talk) 15:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

CommentsSupport by PM

This article is in great shape. I have a few comments:

• given they were sisters, surely the Battle of Jasmund painting of Nymphe used in the class article would be better than nothing?
  • A good point - and the image is high-res, so I've cropped it to just Nymphe
• suggest "her crew was thanked by President Ulysses S. Grant for their actions."
  • Works for me
• suggest "Medusa was to leave the West Indies for Lisbon, Portugal. This move would bring her closer to the Mediterranean without openly signaling Germany's intention to respond to uprisings against Ottoman rule in the Balkans." if that is correct?
  • Sounds good
• suggest "the armored training squadron with its flagship Kaiser reached the city"
  • Done
• I agree with CPA-5 that the sources of of high quality and reliable

That's all I have. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks PM. Parsecboy (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

All good, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Source review

• All citations and references are properly formatted.
• References are known to be high-quality RS.
• Good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support from Harrias

• Any chance you could provide alt text for the images?
  • The way that infobox images are formatted now doesn't allow for alt text (or at least I don't know how to do it) and I don't know what would actually be useful for the map
    • I added alt text for the infobox image, and simply put "refer to caption" for the other. Both are actually covered sufficiently in the captions, but dependent on screen reader, providing alt text just makes it a bit more accessible, even with such bland inputs. Harrias ^talk 12:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• The first paragraph uses "she was" four times; is it possible to avoid such repetition?
  • Fixed
• "The second, lengthier voyage lasted.." I think there should be another comma after "lengthier".
  • I don't think that's right - you just need a comma between the two adjectives
    • Eugh, you're probably right. I hate commas. Harrias ^talk 12:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• "..as the likelihood of a conflict with Denmark over the Schleswig-Holstein Question became increasingly likely." Can we avoid the repetition of "likelihood" and "likely"?
  • Good catch, that's redundant
• "On 8 December, the three German ships met in Smyrna in the Ottoman Empire.." Which three? The last mention was of just two, Medusa and Blitz, but Hertha and Kronprinz have also been mentioned?
  • Hertha (Kronprinz went to Germany after commissioning) - clarified in the text
• "..return to the now-unified Germany on the 2nd of the month." Should be "second", rather than "2nd".
  • Done
• "She steamed south, crossed the Indian Ocean, and then after rounding South Africa, turned north through the Atlantic and finally arrived in Kiel on 26 August." Is this level of detail necessary?
  • My thought in including it was to give the reader something of a sense of the scale of the voyages ships took (and there were two possibilities as to how a ship in Japan could return to Europe at that time)
    • Fair enough, I get that. Harrias ^talk 12:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Overall, a very good article, and only minor points from me. Harrias ^talk 11:01, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Parsecboy (talk) 12:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Great, nice work. Harrias ^talk 12:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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