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01:26:24, 29 March 2020 review of submission by Patrick68005

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I think I understand - generally - the part about how the data in an article should be verifiable against reliable published sources. I believe this article actually fills a need not met by the other sources: providing information on the architect of the so-called Fitchburg Furnace in Kentucky that, admittedly, exists nowhere else. What I don't understand is exactly why one article, for example -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_(drink) -- was deemed acceptable but my article on Frank Fitch was not? I'll agree that some data in my article such as details of his early life and family referenced an unpublished family history Fitch wrote in the 1910s; that was the only source for some of that information. In the article on Ski above, I do not see that the sources used in that article are any better than the ones I used in my article. Thanks - I look forward to getting some additional feedback. Patrick68005 (talk) 01:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Patrick68005, if references aren't verifiable than they shouldn't be used. An unpublished biography shouldn't be cited as a source, and any information that can't be verified in another source besides that should be deleted from the article (this doesn't mean the sources have to be available online, but they should be published at the very least). This is critical in all Wikipedia articles so that readers can trust the information in the articles is correct. The main problem with your article isn't that the sources you have are bad, they just don't support the notability of the subject of your article. You have a lot of sources so I'm not going to discuss all of them, but as an example [1] only has one mention of the subject of your article. I would say as a minimum a source must have at least a paragraph on this specific person to count towards the notability criteria. And besides a significant mention, sources must be independent and reliable. This would mean that, for instance, his notebooks don't count towards this notability criteria. Usually you need three sources under these criteria to be considered notable. The article that you reference does have references to meet these criteria, although I should note that not all Wikipedia articles are model examples. For examples to model your articles off of, I would look at Good articles and Featured articles. Sam-2727 (talk) 02:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 02:16:48, 29 March 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Beatleswillneverdie

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What references and sources can be used to make a song more notable?

Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 02:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Beatleswillneverdie, I would look over the general notability criteria for an idea of what to look for. I would start with looking for reviews of the song although sometimes news articles can be helpful. As pointed out by a reviewer, the article was previously deleted 12 years ago (which is I'll admit a long time ago) so try looking for sources that have been published since then that could establish notability of the article beyond that of the article that was deleted. Right now, a lot of the sources you have are just rankings of songs, which doesn't suggest notability as it gives no real information about the song (and is a trivial reference). Other sources also just include trivial references. Let me know if you're still struggling after looking for these types of sources. Sam-2727 (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sam-2727, I have been looking for hours and can't find any good sources. Can you please help? Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Beatleswillneverdie as has been pointed out to you a few times now, some songs just aren't notable, even ones written by notable bands. If you aren't able to find additional sources to show notability, then it is likely this song just isn't notable. This song in particular has failed an AfD in the past and there's nothing to indicate it has become notable since. The first step in creating an article is first finding and confirming there are sources to denote notability and if there are THEN create a page. Otherwise, you're just going to keep getting yourself stuck in these points of disappointment where you create an article and then have to abandon the work you've put into since you didn't first check if it was notable. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Beatleswillneverdie: Returning to your original question, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources lists sources that Wikipedians have found useful when writing about albums and, by extension, songs. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

04:18:09, 29 March 2020 review of submission by 2600:1700:E5A0:2C60:28B3:374B:3E3C:8568

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2600:1700:E5A0:2C60:28B3:374B:3E3C:8568 (talk) 04:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have a question? Sulfurboy (talk) 07:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


06:26:41, 29 March 2020 review of submission by A117.sau-rav

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A117.sau-rav (talk) 06:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not for promoting anything. That page has been deleted, so nothing left to do here. If you make a new attempt, please avoid puffery. Wikipedia should maintain a neutral point of view. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

15:35:56, 29 March 2020 review of submission by TheFuzzyDonut

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TheFuzzyDonut (talk) 15:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Spignesi_Band

Good Morning! Hoping this message finds you well. Just looking for some tips/clarification on how to improve this article for approval. Thanks for all you guys do. I can't imagine this is an easy job ha!

Hi TheFuzzyDonut, I think the main way you can improve your article is to add sources that meet the notability criteria of Wikipedia. That is, add sources that are independent of the band and reliable and mention the band non-trivially. Currently, sources like [2] don't establish these criteria as it's really just a list of bands, not really anything in depth about this band in particular. Generally interviews like [3] aren't considered independent of the source. Finally, try to state everything in a neutral tone. Sentences like "The loss of Bob and his unique bass style was a devastating blow for Spignesi, having felt that JSB would never recover" are kind of dramatic (the word devastating and unique). Avoid stating opinions as if they were fact. Let me know if you have further questions. Sam-2727 (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

15:36:12, 29 March 2020 review of draft by LL19861

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I do not want broke any rules or any law regarding placing those informations on Wikipedia (maybe improving it as format & graphic) about the short film "Mommy Doesn't Wants" (2016) produced by Amedeo Gagliardi, so i'm asking your help.

i received the authorization to do so by Mr. Amedeo Gagliardi himself which i'm honored to consider a friend.

LL 15:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi LL19861, check out other Wikipedia articles as examples on how to format yours. Currently, you're trying to include links using html, but you can't do this on Wikipedia. Instead, you use brackets. For instance, to link the website example.com, I write [example.com]. Also, try writing in prose format. That is, instead of listing facts, write in coherent paragraphs. Hopefully this helps! Sam-2727 (talk) 18:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

17:25:47, 29 March 2020 review of submission by Kutuloncat3

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Hi, I republished the page since 18 March but I did not get any further replies/comments/feedback.

How long does it usually take for a page to be published in Wikipedia?

Thank you. Jen Kutuloncat3 (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kutuloncat3, it can take months for an article to be reviewed again. This can happen many times, so there is no set timeline for a Wikipedia article to be "published". It all depends on the quality of the article (the higher quality it is, the less time it will take to be "published") and a bit of random chance as reviewers make their way through submissions. Sam-2727 (talk) 18:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi (talk), I understand that is the case. However, I have come across this particular page that only lists two sources (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Securities_Indonesia,_PT). May I know is it still possible to get a Wiki page published with two secondary sources?

Thanks

Jennifer Kutuloncat3 (talk) 16:50, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

18:48:09, 29 March 2020 review of submission by Lx005

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This artist recently released a new record and gained popularity, having notably had coverage on Kerrang! and Rock Sound, also including a Rock Sound premiere and a Kerrang! print review in their March 14th 2020 issue (both outlets are listed as Reliable Sources here). Dead Press also reviewed the record here and they are also a part of the Reliable Sources mentioned previously. This artist also recently toured Europe with Icon For Hire which contributed to increasing their popularity. The information can be found on the previously mentioned Rock Sound article. This artist is also playing Two Thousand Trees Festival 2020, which has been announced on several Reliable Source websites such as Rock Sound or Dead Press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lx005 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lx005 (talk) 18:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lx005, I have removed the reject template which will allow you to resubmit it. However, you will need to incorporate all of those sources you mentioned before submitting or you'll likely face the same result. Sulfurboy (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

19:15:55, 29 March 2020 review of submission by Pennsylvania2

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The AFD determined more sources needed to be added. I added more sources including from books. Should be a wikipedia page because there are sufficient sources.

Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania2, John from Idegon has rejected the article which means it was determined that no amount of editing or revision would make the page appropriate for mainspace. You were advised multiple times that we needed to see coverage aside from just WP:LOCAL and WP:ROUTINE news. You also were advised at multiple times to remove the overly promotional language of the article and write it formally and neutrally. You failed to do so and were wasting the time of multiple volunteers by continually resubmitting without properly making an effort to address the issues. In the future, I would advise against creating article that you have a clear WP:COI with. Sulfurboy (talk) 20:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So more than 5 books are not reputable?
Pennsylvania2, The books don't count towards the notability criteria if they are written by someone closely connected to the school, which I suspect from the titles of the books. Sam-2727 (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the proof of that?
@Pennsylvania2: Child and Adolescent Development for Educators and Raising Reading Achievement in Middle and High Schools cite Irene W. Gaskins, the founder of Benchmark School, exclusively and heavily respectively. The chapter in Instructional Models in Reading is co-authored by Gaskins, and your links for Phonics from A to Z and Word Recognition in Beginning Literacy lead to Success with Struggling Readers, authored by Gaskins. The last may be a mistaken link on your part. You may have intended to link to chapter "A Beginning Literacy Program for At-Risk and Delayed Readers" in the named book, a chapter authored by, you guessed it, Gaskins. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

20:58:47, 29 March 2020 review of draft by TheFuzzyDonut

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TheFuzzyDonut (talk) 20:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


TheFuzzyDonut (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Spignesi_Band

Greetings -

Any tips for how to improve this piece for approval? It is my understanding that these sources are reputable as they are connected with BandCamp and Spotify, as well as the Press Release for the album. Any advice you have is much appreciated! Thanks for all you do!

TheFuzzyDonut As noted when your draft was declined, the sources do not indicate how this band meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable band. 331dot (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spotify isn't an indication of notability because there is no fact checking, not sure about BandCamp (but in your article I don't see this), and a press release is not independent of the subject. Sam-2727 (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

21:18:45, 29 March 2020 review of draft by Nwebste4

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I am attempting to publish an article about the sport NitroBall and have no relation to any person or company associated with this sport but it appears as if my draft was rejected because reviewers believed that I was affiliated with it. What can I do to show that I have nothing to gain from this article being published or that I am not attempting to advertise? Nwebste4 (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nwebste4 The reviewer might have suspected you have a conflict of interest because you only offered two sources and stated that you wanted to "initiate it and "get the ball rolling"", which sounds to others like you are here to promote the sport. Two sources is not enough; you need to have multiple independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the sport in order to show that it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. If there are no other sources, it would not merit an article at this time. You cannot use Wikipedia to spread the word about this sport; independent sources must take note of it and write about it. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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