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11:24:54, 24 October 2015 review of submission by Stewmills

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Back in January I submitted an article on the 1970's rock band Hackensack ("Hackensack band"). I've been looking to see it on Wikipaedia ever since and have only just discovered it's been rejected. I didn't know how to add citations but on the notability front, the band included Billy Rankin, Nicky Moore and Simon Fox who all have Wiki pages, Ray Majors who features on Mott the Hoople and Yardbirds pages; three albums and a single widely available and collectable, the last band to play at the original Cavern Club in Liverpool (I still have the programme!) and John Peel's play of the week on BBC Radio 1 in 1972 must qualify as a "rotation". Please will you reconsider my article which completes numerous other contemporary references. I'm sorry if I'm old and stupid - that's why I need your help! Regards, stewmills Stewmills (talk) 11:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Stewmills and welcome to the Help Desk. No need to apologize; we're here to help! The article Draft:Hackensack was not accepted because it did not demonstrate the band's notability. Wikipedia has some criteria to help determine when a band may be notable; you can read them at WP:BAND. There might be an argument that since Nicky Moore and Simon Fox are notable musicians, the band is notable too (by virtue of "contain[ing] two or more independently notable musicians"). However, in order to substantiate that claim, you'd need to find a variety of reliable, independent (third-party) sources corroborating those claims. The draft doesn't have any referencing right now, so that would need to be addressed. Let us know if you have any further questions. Thanks, /wia /tlk /cntrb 12:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks wikiiawesome for your prompt reply. Can you help me include "referencing" - I have press cuttings/reviews from 1972 - Melody Maker, NME, Disc, London Evening Standard, Enfield Gazette, Bradford Telegraph etc. but don't understand how to reference these? Shall I submit copies? Hackensack is mentioned on both Simon Fox's and Nicky Moore's page (which also Hackensack's discography). So what needs to be "substantiated"? Initially signed to Island records but bought out by Polydor with a £9000 recording advance - the biggest of its time, Hackensack were destined for success. On video they'd have made it but that didn't exist in 1972!!! Perhaps you can refer me to someone who can rewrite the entry in the correct format? Thanks again, stewmills — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.50.167 (talk) 13:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Stewmills: Sorry, I just saw this now. If you have reviews of their work from these sources, you don't have to submit copies. All you need to do is cite the source in a reference—see WP:REFB for some basics on referencing on Wikipedia. You can use the {{Cite news}} template to reference those sources into your article.
As for the mentions on other Wikipedia pages, unfortunately Wikipedia is not a reliable source. That's why we require that claims be supported by reliable, external independent sources. Let us know if you have any further questions about the draft. /wia /tlk /cntrb 12:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
HiStewmills - Just want to add a quick note to Wikiisawesome's answer. When you use off-line sources, please be sure to include as much information as possible (it helps reviewers and researchers), such as title, date, page number, author (if applicable), isbn (if a book), etc. Thanks! Onel5969 TT me 13:10, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

12:56:48, 24 October 2015 review of submission by La Gangos

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La Gangos (talk) 12:56, 24 October 2015 (UTC) sources: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/rabin-gangadin/14/ab3/88 http://tpo.nl/author/rabingangadin/ http://www.hebban.nl/!/rabin-gangadin-2#offset_0 http://www.nederlandsepoezie.org/dichters/g/gangadin.html http://www.waterkant.net/suriname/2014/10/04/elisabeth-moendi-column/ http://www.opiniestukken.nl/opiniestukken/artikel/568/Nederlanders-vertellen-fabeltjes-over-Zwarte-Piet http://www.leugens.nl/2009/08/16/liegende-officieren-worden-rechter/[reply]

Hi La Gangos - Do you have a specific question? And an article? Onel5969 TT me 14:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 15:43:25, 24 October 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Rajin shakya

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i don't know how to upload photoes.and i want to know to make wikipedia pages or create article.

rajin shakya (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rajin shakya -Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

You may also want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions. To upload photos, there is a link on the left hand toolbar. Onel5969 TT me 01:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

23:30:08, 24 October 2015 review of submission by Joyandduke

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Hello, my post for Lazy Bones Recordings was rejected for not being "notable". I'm a bit confused as I see that another music publisher "Wild Whirled Music" has been listed in Wikipedia and they have not produced the same level of world renown artists as Lazy Bones. The references are tangential to what they've actually produced, yet LBR has actually produced and released albums of "notable" artists that are also included in Wikipedia. Your assistance as to what further references would establish notability would be appreciated.Joyandduke (talk) 23:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC) Joyandduke (talk) 23:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joyandduke - First please read other stuff exists. Because there is another bad article on Wikipedia is not a good rationale for allowing another bad article to be created. WP is monitored by a few thousand volunteers, and there are millions of articles. That said, the other article is also promotional and lacks notability, and I've just tagged it as such. In time, it will be dealt with. Regarding your draft. There is not a single reference which goes to notability. For that, references need to be from independent, reliable sources and be in-depth about the studio, not about the artists or their work. Usually those come from newspapers, magazines or books. Notability is not inherited. It has to come from the company itself. In addition, you article, with its long lists of other companies, appears promotional. Onel5969 TT me 01:46, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you for the quick feedback. I was merely referring to Wild Whirled not to get them flagged, but I thought it would be helpful to refer to another music record company/publishing article when building my own. While the WP help articles are extensive, they can also seem a bit overwhelming. I will find more articles from magazines and newspapers to include as references for my article. Thanks again.Joyandduke (talk) 02:11, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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