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01:01:34, 1 July 2014 review of submission by Aryal.mani

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I am very new to wikipedia. I used to feel free to write in the blogs but I have faced difficulties to write here. I want to know the weak points of my article so please help me to sort out problems Aryal.mani (talk) 01:01, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Aryal.mani: The weak points of Draft:Urban hydrology (where the draft is now) are that it lacks references. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL will give you a start, but you need authoritative references for every fact you state or you run the risk of the article being termed Original Research. Even then you need to be careful to write in a neutral tine. Think "Dull but Worthy" and you are pretty close. And you must never draw your own conclusions, only report the conclusions of others. User:Timtrent/A good article may be of some use to you. Above all, do not rush. The better a draft is the fewer reviews it will need. We want you to get it right. It's very different from blogging. Fiddle Faddle 07:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

09:56:53, 1 July 2014 review of submission by RK Samarpan

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There is no reason to refuse the article. The author has written quite a few books which are all well documented. People want to know more about him, and his books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RK Samarpan (talk • contribs) 09:56, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@RK Samarpan: I see you are asking about Draft:Samarpan (author), and there was a need to decline it for you to do more work. For a living person we have a higher standard of referencing. Every fact you assert requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS. The reviewer was more concise in his comment, but it means the same thing. Your references are about th ebook, which is fine, but we need additional referencing for the other facts you assert in the draft. I think you may benefit from a mentor. Please check out WP:Mentoring to see if it will help you.
If people want to know more about the author then you need to write a fuller and better referenced article.
If you just want to go ahead, please edit the draft, and resubmit it when you are ready to. Read User:Timtrent/A good article for some guidance. Fiddle Faddle 10:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

10:00:28, 1 July 2014 review of submission by Brefin123

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I need help writing two pages. One for a company and one for the company's founder

Quintessentially Events is an international event management company based in London

Caroline Hurley is a British/American event planner and entrepreneur, founder of Quintessentially Events.

Can someone please write these up for me...I have been trying for days and I keep getting rejected, I could really do with some help, its really really important that I get these pages up as soon as possible :) thanks Brefin123 (talk) 10:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC) Brefin123 (talk) 10:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Brefin123: The thing is, it;s not important to get any page up as soon as possible unless one is being paid to do so or has a similar conflict of interest. One thing Wikipedia has is time. I suggest that you check out WP:Mentoring to gain expertise in what I hope is a hobby, not a career. User:Timtrent/A good article will help you.
We can give you advice here. The advice really never differs:
  1. Seek out references. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every fact you assert requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS. For a non living thing we really need the same, but the citation part is optional. Me? I make it mandatory for anything I write here.
  2. Write your article based on the references, and only based on the references
  3. Keep your tone neutral. If you think "Dull but worthy" you are pretty much there
  4. Write only what an interested reader wishes to see, not what you would like them to read. Wikipedia is not a PR organ
You may see this in different words in different places on Wikipedia. When you translate it the answer always comes out the same. If you cannto find references, online, in print, or broadcast, then you may have to face the fact that the person or the entity is simply not notable in Wikipedia terms. But nothing is ever urgent for us, and you need it not to be for you, either. If this is a paid commission always use the WP:AFC route and always declare your interest. Fiddle Faddle 10:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

12:23:29, 1 July 2014 review of submission by Mwilkey

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Mwilkey (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I submitted this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Smart_Love_Preschool_and_Smart_Love_Family_Services on June 13 and have not yet received any response as to whether it was posted. It doesn't loook like it has been but there has been some edits. Can you tell me where it stands? Thanks Maureen

@Mwilkey: You never submitted Draft:Smart Love Preschool and Smart Love Family Services for review, hence it was never reviewed. I have since submitted it on your behalf. I will tell you from my examination that you seem to lack the necessary reliable sources for general notability. I would also be careful in defining Intrapsychic Humanism so that it's germane to the subject but also clear for general readership. You have only one good source, which is The Chicago Tribune. I would jettison the others and start over. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth mentioning that pre-schools, kindergartens and other educational establishments below secondary education level are not normally considered notable enough for Wikipedia. If the establishment can be shown to meet the WP:GNG then it may be accepted, but I doubt this will be possible in this case. Bellerophon talk to me 18:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

18:14:37, 1 July 2014 review of submission by Mharrison98

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My article was denied because of my sources, but I don't understand why. In Wikipedia: Notability it says that there is not a required number of sources, just multiple. I have two reliable sources (a news video/spot) and an article from a city newspaper, the Charlotte Observer. My other three resources were blogs or Kickstarters, which I understand aren't reliable now, but they did prove that there was a Kickstarter and that Leonard Maltin did support the Kickstarter. All of that was also stated in the Newspaper article.

Secondly, it was denied because there was too much information for "just" five sources. But most of the information was from the Charlotte Observer article, which was quite extensive. There is plenty of information in that article and the video to write the, frankly, relatively short article.

Martin Hill, while perhaps not the most publicized, is a notable figure. He is trying to preserve a very important part of Hollywood history.

Also, would finding auction records for the cameras help at all? Thanks! Mharrison98 (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Mharrison98: First, let me emphasize that Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. While this might be important to you, it's not to us. Second, you can't use anything like auction records because they are primary sources, unpublished, and not necessarily reliable. Third, Wikipedia strives to have every article as accurate as possible and this is achieved by insisting that text remains tied to independent and reliable sources. When you have a lot more information than you have in-line citations for, especially about a living person, we have a problem. YouTube isn't a reliable source either, so you're left with one article from the Charlotte Observer. It would appear based on this post at UNC Charlotte and this other mention in the Charlotte Observer that Martin Hill is really only notable for one event and that is being the subject of a film for a college event. That doesn't pass muster. I hope that explanation makes sense to you. Wikipedia is a complicated place and articles written by newcomers typically don't fare well because of a steep learning curve and many prevalent misconceptions about how things are done here. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:05, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris troutman: First of all, I appreciate you taking the time to explain things to me. I do have a few more questions though. Are youtube videos not reliable even if they're posted by a reputable news source? (Which, I grant you, Around Carolina does not appear to be. I thought it was part of the Time Warner Cable News, but it doesn't appear to be. I'm very sorry about that.) Secondly, the first article you linked to in the Charlotte Observer is not about Martin Hill. It's about a person called Michael Knox. Here is the article that talks about Martin Hill: "Charlotte Observer. Third, if I can find another source, aside from the Charlotte Observer article, and I directly cite the information from the article (with footnotes, which I now understand. I couldn't seem to get the reflist thing to work, but now I get it) could my article be accepted? Also, once that documentary comes out will that be a reputable source? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mharrison98 (talk • contribs)
@Mharrison98: Take a look at our notability criteria. I see nothing in there that Martin Hill would qualify with. In regards to the link I provided, open that article, use the old "ctrl+f", and type in "Martin Hill". You're welcome. You need to scrape up every passing mention you can find. Based on what I've read, I don't think the sources you'll be able to provide will ever make the subject appear notable. I think Martin Hill is practically a low-profile individual and should not be covered in an article. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

18:55:49, 1 July 2014 review of submission by Kristengray

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Hi. I'm writing this page for my boss who is a multi-platinum selling music producer. It is very important that he has a wiki page for his career and he has so much work that is notable, credible, and popular that needs to be open information. I don't know why my page keeps getting declined but can someone help me determine why? Is it an issue with editing? Where do I start? Kristengray (talk) 18:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Kristengray: First, you have a conflict of interest. Thank you for being open about this fact. Please remember while editing Wikipedia that your editing has to have a neutral point of view. This is not a public relations firm and we don't care if someone thinks they need to have a wiki page.
Because the subject is still alive, we require in-line citations so we can point to exactly which source supports each claim in the article. For example, your lede paragraph says: "Joseph is best known for his production on: “Man Down,” by Rihanna". Says who? What source makes this claim of notability? That sentence needs to have an in-line citation following it. Also, you have phrases like: "Joseph’s musical dexterity has enabled him to secure work with a variety of artists". Really? That sounds like puffery and if true it needs to have some serious sourcing.
The good news is that you have a couple independent, reliable sources at the bottom. You should be able to move them to the text in the article they support. Selling platinum albums is enough for notability but your sourcing must improve. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

23:17:51, 1 July 2014 review of draft by Biologymoon

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I need help putting together my submission. Can someone look at it and help me. Thanks Biologymoon (talk) 23:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Biologymoon: Your submission has no independent sources. You can't use any organization's website as reference for that organization, especially absent other sources. I recommend finding newspaper articles, magazine articles, and books that talk about this organization and writing based on the information in those sources. If you need help with editing, post to the reward board. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
More specifically, it is about a local branch of a large organization.We do not usually consider such branches notable. DGG ( talk ) 04:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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