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May 20

use of possible primary sources or valid sources in article for creation Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Laura Fernandez

Hi, After a few suggestions on live chat, I believe the issue may have been use of publishers bios as a primary source (re: publishers have a financial interest), for what could be non-verifiable facts. Having removed publishers bios and referencing for third party reviews of publications, I think I'm much closer to what is accepted. What other if any non verifiable facts (or of contention) would there still be?

(892c (talk) 04:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC))

This draft takes the carpet bombing approach to citations. It has more than 50 references, but of those I checked (more than a dozen), the vast majority mention Fernandez only in passing, or they are the websites of organizations and events Fernandez is affiliated with, or they are unreliable sources such as self-published blog posts. If there are reliable third-party sources that cover Fernandez in some detail, they are well-hidden in all the rest. Worse, if one of the sources covers Fernandez in greater detail, the draft doesn't summarize what that source has to say about her. For example, the most detailed review of her book illustrations was the Anne of Green Gables one, which spent an entire paragraph criticizing her for not paying enough attention to the author's words - none of that criticism is reflected in the draft. Conversely, the statement that she "continues to perform selections from her second CD, Un Solo Beso, produced by the late Juno Award winner Billy Bryans" cites four sources, none of which even mentions her second CD by name.

To some extent the quantity of sources may offset the lack of quality of individual sources, but not to this extent. My sugestion would be to significantly prune the draft, to remove all the passing mentions and the unreliable sources, to hope that a dozen or a half-dozen reliable sources remain that cover Fernandez in some detail, and to summarize what those sources have to say about her. Huon (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Combing sources is possible. For a person who has multiple careers, say Leonard Cohen (poet, author, performer), would also re-citing one article or two be sufficient, provided it's a reliable 3rd party, in the biographical text of the article? If say there's a Toronto Star article that says "published poet, painter, Born in Montreal..." one citation at the end of the sentence would be enough, and further in the body text, re-citing is appropriate?

In, say, re-writing portions of the body text, would it be more appropriate/acceptable to present it as : As well, Fernandez has contributed to number of book covers and publishing illustrations. The children's books she has provided illustrations for "Jeremiah Learns to Read" (Scholastic), described as "Rich and mellow, these pictures enhance the heartwarming quality of the text."[reference Quill and Quire book review] and the recipient of the Ruth Schwartz Award For Excellence in Children's Literature 2001[reference Canadian Children's Book Centre award winner].

Also, how would this be used in the body text as a reference? If at all. It is clearly a Toronto Sun (major newspaper publication) article. Scribd as a source would be valid? I will address this on live chat.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48666702/Laura-Fernandez  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 892c (talk • contribs) 15:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC) 

Sources can easily be re-used, see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once for details. And if the same source supports multiple statements, that's indeed a good way to go.

The award website would be a primary source for the award. It would be much better to find a secondary source such as a newspaper article - that would show someone other than the organization bestowing the award found it significant enough to write about it.

The Toronto Sun article should be cited like this: That's created by the following code: <ref>{{cite news|newspaper=[[Toronto Sun]] |first=Errol |last=Nazareth |url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/48666702/Laura-Fernandez |title=Always on the go |date=February 11, 2011 |page=75}}</ref> The Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners page will explain how to easily add such footnotes. The ultimate source is the Toronto Sun, not Scribd. Huon (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Thank. I believe I have addressed much of the "pruning" suggested, and re-citing references where necessary for supporting statements (still a few changes I think needed). The Toronto Sun article is not on the TS website, and there was a suggestion in live chat, using the Scribd is copyright infringement, if the TS didn't post that version or the article author EN didn't give permission either. (Thanks for the cite news template example). In that case, is it not better to avoid usage? Also note the reference use of PDF link: http://www.hackmatack.ca/pdfs/2006English/RickJacobsonAndLauraFernandez.pdf which is to the HackMatack Literary Arts Award (hackmatack[dot]ca), which has author bio. Live chat said this looked ok = PDF links count, in cases like this? Any further advice on the re-draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 892c (talk • contribs) 02:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the copyright issue, if that is a problem, you can simply remove the URL and still cite the original Toronto Sun article - sources are not required to be available online. Or you could try and check whether the Toronto Sun itself has a copy of thar article archived online. There's no problem with PDF links in principle; it depends on the publisher. I don't think Hackmatack's biography was subject to editorial oversight, so it may not be a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards - you may want to ask at the Reliable sources noticeboard about that one. Huon (talk) 04:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. The TS website search does not have the article. but the citation template for a newspaper will do. I'll check with reliable sources noticeboard. Does the current draft (in general) address the changes of removing references with minimal mention of the subject, at a quick glance? and overall reduction of external links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 892c (talk • contribs) 05:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Syed Shahzad Ali Najmi

[Draft removed.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.120.227.234 (talk) 09:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This draft cites no reliable sources. Without such sources our readers will not be able to verify the draft's content, and we cannot tell whether Najmi is notable in the first place. Thus we cannot accept drafts that don't show that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable third-party sources such as newspaper articles. Huon (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

new article

Dear sirs,

the 13th of May I wrote a new article and I sent it to wikipedia. This article has been correctly rejected by LionMans Account, beceause I didn't wrote any reference. So I edited the article, but now I don't know if it is going to be reviewed or not. This is the first time I write on wikipedia, I'm not used to the procedure of article acceptance. Here following the reference to my article:

   07:50, 14 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-5,744)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/neuGRID ‎ (current)
   07:47, 14 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+5,744)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/neuGRID ‎
   07:40, 14 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+1,195)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/neuGRID ‎
   15:29, 13 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+437)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/neuGRID ‎
   14:51, 13 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+4,495)‎ . . N Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/neuGRID ‎ (←Created page with '{{AFC submission|t||ts=20130520091823|u=Dariagen|ns=4}} <!--- Important, do not remove this line before article has been created. ---> == <big><big>neuGRID</big></big> == == What i...')

Do I only have to wait or do I have to do something else to have a revision of my article?

Thank you for your consideration

Daria GennaroDariagen (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That draft is submitted for another review, but it has a couple of problems. Most prominently, you currently have two copies of your draft on the page; you should remove one of them. And the draft's sources are still problematic. For example, the lengthy Medical News article says "Source Neugrid", suggesting that it is in fact not a news article but simply a press release, which wouldn't be considered a third-party source. The Barkhof article mentions neuGrid only in a single half-sentence. The Centro Alzheimer seems to be a part of the project, which would make it a primary source. I don't see that this project has been subject to enough third-party coverage in reliable sources to establish its notability. Huon (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MG_Venkata Raghavan

Hi,

I created this article about a great carnatic musician in wiki. But still not posted in wikipedia. Can you please let me know the reason. I have pupulated all the sections including references. This person's bio is worth updating in Wiki.

regards Shivappa Kmshivappa (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This draft cites currently is not submitted for review; you can submit it by adding {{subst:submit}} to the very top. However, it currently cites but a single source (except Wikipedia, which does not consider itself reliable), and that source says Raghavan "is still waiting to be recognised". That sounds to me as if he's not (yet) notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Huon (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Cost of the F-35 fighter jet may 2013

I have been following the progress of the F-35 fighter jet,Up to date cost (2011) but little is known today May 2013,about costs/unit, cost and servicing over 40 years,& many countries opinions,Your last (comments were quite relable and accurate to me.As a Canadian taxpayer, we should be informed regularly how our Gov, is spending $100s of billions. Hope the up-date is soon as many are concerned about these matters, thanks PRS 24.109.248.11 (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what the Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Huon (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Publishing

Hi,

I added an article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ianlee73, is it done correctly and will I be notified if it is published? Thank you, Ianlee73 (talk) 16:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Ian Lambert

I have moved the draft to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Order of the Beak, the preferred location for drafts awaiting review. You will be notified of the review on your talk page. However, the draft currently doesn't establish that the band is notable enough for an encyclopedia article; it doesn't show that the band has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspaper articles about the band or reviews of their work published in reputable music magazines. Without such sources we cannot accept the submission. Huon (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

enzo carnebianca

I'm good friend of Enzo Carnebianca and you can see me with him at :www.carnebianca.com under option "in the news" clik "photos" the third one I'm with him last December in Coral Gables for one of his exhibitions at the Coral Gables Museum. My daughter Michela Belluso of www.Davidsonbelluso.com has recently made his website wwww.carnebianca.com and now he has asked me to enter his Biography in Wikipedia. The article was given to me by him and it just reflects briefly his artistic life. Four of his masterpieces are permanently exhibited in the Historic Art Museum The Treasury of Saint Peter in the Saint Peter Basilica in Vatican City - ROME. There's a video in his website under option "Museums" where one can see his four artworks exhibited in the same room where it is preserved the original cast of the "Pieta'" by Michelangelo and the tomb of Pope Sisto (the one of Sistina Chapel) by Pollaiuolo a master sculptor of Renaissance. In his website you can see many testimonials by Vatican City officials. So my intention is nothing more than letting people know, through Wikipedia, the life and art of a living Italian Maestros. Thanks Giancarlo Belluso — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellusogiancarlo (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia content should be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspaper articles about the artist or reviews of his work published in reputable arts magazines. His own website is not an independent source, and if you are a personal acquaintance, you may want to read our guideline on conflicts of interest. Huon (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Articles for Creation Question?

It states on top of a Wikipedia bio (Chris Burkard) that I recently created that a major contributor (my self) to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject but I do not. Can I edit and remove that jargon from the top or does someone else? Osrius (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

If someone felt you had a close connection to the article's subject, my suggestion would be not to remove that tag yourself but to raise the issue on the article's talk page and to ask the person who added the tag (SarahStierch) to remove it. You may have to contact SarahStierch at her talk page in case she doesn't keep an eye on the article. Huon (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to remove it if you want! I'm assuming good faith! SarahStierch (talk) 19:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank You Sarah, I am new to the talk page so thanks for bearing with me...Also thanks for the tea house invite! Cheers! Osrius (talk) 20:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Need help to improve this article

Hi, I need help to get this article published. Please help! Subject is "Military Cyber Professionals Association". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Military_Cyber_Professionals_Association). Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uconngijoe (talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the reviewers that this needs better sources to clearly establish that the Association is notable. Furthermore, the draft sounds rather promotional, and parts of its content are even contradicted by the given sources. According to the April 2013 sources, not even the prototype chapter is up and running yet. Huon (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem with Article

Hi, I want to know how I can fix my article. It has not been approved yet and the sources I have used are solid. It is for a University of Cape Town mini project to record victims of Gross Human Rights violations that were part of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in 1996-1998. FRSALA005 (talk) 22:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The page you are looking for is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Leon Meyer. Mkdw^talk 22:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This draft does not cite any reliable third-party sources beyond the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I doubt that the Commission reports on their own suffice to establish that Meyer is notable. Rather, they should be considered primary sources; we'd need secondary sources such as news articles or history textbooks instead.

On an unrelated note, the draft's links are... strange. For example, it links to East London (twice, which is overlinking on its own), but it means East London, Eastern Cape. You can link to the latter while still looking like East London by using a "piped" link: [[East London, Eastern Cape|East London]] And it should link to our Truth and Reconciliation Commission article, not to "truth", "reconciliation" and "commission". Dates shouldn't be linked at all. Huon (talk) 01:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brad Williams (Puppeteer)

New editor. Trying to get this stub submitted so can expand on as I can. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/heinleinsmuse Heinleinsmuse (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)heinleinsmuse

It's currently submitted for review, but some of the sources don't say what they're cited for. For example, the SD Historical Society doesn't call Tillstrom his mentor, and according to the New York Times, Williams didn't work on the original Kukla, Fran and Ollie show, but on the 25-Year Retrospective. Huon (talk) 01:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Huon! I'll look into those changes immediately. Stubs are fun, tricky, but fun! Heinleinsmuse (talk) 18:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)Heinleinsmuse

Corrected. Thanks! Heinleinsmuse (talk) 21:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)