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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template appears to have a very limited use-case, if one at all, that's not worth cluttering up the list of numerous redirect category templates. As-is, the majority of redirects using this template are mistagged {{R from fictional character}}s or {{R from alternative name}}s that may not necessarily be mistagged, but that don't need this template either. To me, it seems like the main use-case of this template is to sort redirects into further categories (such as Category:Narnia redirects), but this can be accomplished manually on articles not covered by templates like R from fictional character (which also has a field that can populate that category). (See further discussion at Template talk:R fictional work#Category weirdness.) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 10:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note Category:Fictional work redirects has been added per discussion below, as this template populates that category. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Why should this be any different from any other redirect tag? If the redirect is wrong, it can be manually corrected and frankly doesn't need a template that's overly descriptive as to what the redirect target is for. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment isn't this type of template discussed at WP:CfD as it is an auto-categorization template for categorization of (redirect) pages? -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 03:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I was unaware of that. I think it says to discuss it all here, though, if I'm reading the instructions correctly? I think Category:Fictional work redirects would probably be deleted, while Category:Redirects by topic would stay as a container category. Not sure how to add that to the nom if needed, or whether it would need to be at a different venue (or in a different nom). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If self-categorizing templates are deleted, then they could potentially empty a category, which isn't supposed to be done per WP:CFD as categories are not supposed to be emptied before being nominated for deletion. So to me it seems that if the only thing a template really does is categorize pages, then it would make sense to discuss it at CFD. Stub-type templates are discussed at CfD, and they are self-categorizing templates that do little except for categorizing pages and advertise that they are stubs with a tiny blurb (such as how R-cat templates work now) -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 01:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm looking at WP:TFDHOWTO, which states:

    Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd}} instead.)

    and:

    Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale: {{subst:Catfd2|category name}}

    As for the CfD vs. TfD debate... I think this has been talked about before, without a clear consensus: see this February 2020 TfD, which debated this, while a February 2020 CfD was started about a redirect template during the TfD discussion. In short, I think this needs an RFC after this closes, but for now there doesn't appear to be a correct location. (The wording does specifically call out stub templates, and not redirect templates.)
    I did forget about the category when nominating this, though – it should at least be added to the nom, which I can hopefully figure out how to do? Procedurally notifying the two people who have already !voted, WikiCleanerMan and The person who loves reading, about this nom adjustment (to delete Category:Fictional work redirects, which is solely populated by this template). I will also notify CfD about this discussion, just to make sure anyone concerned there will also see this, especially now that a category will be involved in the TfD. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. The person who loves reading (talk) 01:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural note I have listed a link to this discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25#Nomination for deletion of Category:Fictional work redirects / Template:R fictional work. Keep this in mind when closing – you may want to relist to give more time for people to see it from there, since they'll have had about 48 hours to see and !vote in the discussion when this can first be closed. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 03:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the category claims to be a maintenance category but it is entirely unclear what kind of maintenance would be needed for these redirects. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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