Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2008/November/10

November 10

More footy cleanup

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was rename
As noted during the nom below, there are some anomalies among the Oceanian footy sub-cats. (The Oceanian parent cat uses "football (soccer)" in each case.) Rename:

Her Pegship (tis herself) 19:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Partial Support - The term 'Australian Football' is ambiguous and use of it is constantly in dispute, so AFL/Aussie Rules generally add the term rules (despite the official name of the sport being Australian Football) and soccer adds (soccer) (despite the FFA trying to avoid using the s word and media campaigns to claim the word football). Think there may be a TFD as well to come out of this. The Kiwis can sort themselves out.The-Pope (talk) 22:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We do have {{AFL-bio-stub}} / Cat:Australian rules biography stubs; would it help if the scope of the "soccer" stub category were spelled out clearly? (Also, if it's the stub template that should be altered, that should be addressed here rather than TfD.) Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 01:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest using "association football" in place of "football (soccer)" above. (I don't have a preference one way or the other but the primary article is "association football" and we should be consistent.) -- Chuq (talk) 23:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support change to "football (soccer)". The sport is known in these two countries primarily as soccer, though the controlling body in both countries uses the term football. As such, the combined, unambiguous term is a good option (something similar to this should also be done with the mix'n'match permcats). Chuq, the term "association football" is rarely met with in either country, and consistency is usually overriden by local usage in such cases. Grutness...wha? 08:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, renaming of the Australian stub type, as "Australian football" is ambiguous and when presented with such a phrase, most Australians would think of Australian rules football. No opinion on the NZ stub types. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 04:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- Here in NZ if you said "football" there'd be about a 50/50 split between people thinking you meant soccer and people thinking you meant rugby union. It's usage to mean rugby is possibly slowly fading, but it'll be decades before its clear-cut that soccer is the sport intended by the term. Grutness...wha? 05:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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